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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

That’s why it is not the same scenario. You have to have SS payroll deductions by law and that is not the question. The Obamacare individual mandate requires that you purchase something from a particular vendor. The SS analogy does not work because you have an option of how those taxes are invested. You are not forced to purchase anything from a specific vendor even though you are required to pay the tax.


90 posted on 12/13/2010 11:57:50 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: johniegrad
The SS analogy does not work because you have an option of how those taxes are invested.

Huh?????

95 posted on 12/13/2010 12:06:45 PM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: johniegrad
The Obamacare individual mandate requires that you purchase something from a particular vendor.

If that is true, you're right. I thought that you had to purchase something from one of the insurance companies in the exchange, but you get to choose which one.

The SS analogy does not work because you have an option of how those taxes are invested. You are not forced to purchase anything from a specific vendor even though you are required to pay the tax.

Assuming we're talking about a partial (or full) SS privatization plan that requires you to invest in a certain class of securities or something, it looks at least something like being required to purchase an insurance policy from a list of vendors that meets certain criteria.

I don't like either one of them. I'm just trying to think through legally the ramifications of a decision either way. And the problem is that this whole distinction between the "tax" power and the power to do things directly that is at the heart of this seems artificial and extra-constitutional to me. "We can tax you, and do whatever we want with your money. We just can't tell you what to do with it before we actually take it." The real issue should be what is being mandated, not on who theoretically controls the money, because in either case, the government actually controls the money anyway.

102 posted on 12/13/2010 1:23:53 PM PST by Bruce Campbells Chin
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