Posted on 12/12/2010 10:47:16 AM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
I repeat: “Feds and their operatives verbally work him over.”. Not exactly “got to”. People can be manipulated even via television — feeling isolated, etc.
I respond by saying, "You, on the other hand, rely solely on Leyvas' guess that the event happened 35 miles off the coast." which prompts you to respond with a post that violates FR posting rules. So tell, me...what evidence ARE you relying on to believe the event took place 35 miles of the coast?
"Don't make a complete fool out of yourself like Stove Rat."
Um hmmm. So do you think I should take up name calling and posting obscenties?
I respond by saying, "You, on the other hand, rely solely on Leyvas' guess that the event happened 35 miles off the coast." which prompts you to respond with a post that violates FR posting rules. So tell, me...what evidence ARE you relying on to believe the event took place 35 miles of the coast?
"Don't make a complete fool out of yourself like Stove Rat."
Um hmmm. So do you think I should take up name calling and posting obscenties?
1)"I'm still not sure what the object is, jet or missile or for that matter, something else."
-Leyvas
2)"I’m sure that this whole thing lasted way too long to be a missile. I see lots of contrails from my 10th floor balcony but the difference in this one was that it “seemed” to be going up...I’m now of the opinion that it was indeed a plane."
-Warren.
Neither witness has ever stated it was a missile, but Warren has stated it was indeed a plane.
And from these eyewitnesses, you conclude...its a missile!
And declare anyone who disagrees with your opinion "obtuse."
And you think I came into this with an agenda? LOL!
Keep in mind that the vast majority of people who've seen missile launches and who've weighed in on virtually every online forum, from YouTube to LA Times to FR to the San Fran Chronicle, state immediately and confidently: the video looks like the missile launches they've seen.
The majority of FReepers who think it was a contrail have never seen a missile launch (ask them -- I have), but -- like every cognizant American with decent eyesight -- have seen lots of airline contrails that, when frozen in a still photos, LOOK like pictures they've seen of missile plumes. They are flattered (or flatter themselves) that a) they are being calm and reasonable, and that b) they are smarter than the average bear, including that poor dumb bastard cameraman who coudn't even tell the dif between a common airline contrail and a missile plume. Their condensation trail conclusion, built on all kinds of pretend things including an imaginary "optical illusion" involving the curvature of the earth, is ENTIRELY SELF GRATIFYING on three counts: they get to think they're smarter, they get to think they're calmer, and they get to think they're safer.
And those of us who've lived in close range to frequent missile launches laugh at people who "reasonalby" point out as proof, "Well, if it was a missile launch, why didn't anybody hear a sonic boom, huh? That's proof right there that it must have been an airliner!" *sigh* In my 53 years, I've seen many dozens of missile launches, with the naked eye and with binoculars, from distances ranging from 19 miles to 160 miles, not including a shuttle launch in Florida at a distance I estimate of 10 to 12 miles. And do you know, in ALL of those launches, I never once heard a sonic boom. See, those of us who've seen missile launches are a lot harder to fool than those who haven't, especially those who haven't who ALSO think they're the smartest guys in the room and everybody else is pretty stupid.
As for Leyvas supposedly being "unsure," if he had claimed to be "sure" of what it was, red flags should have gone up all around. OF COURSE HE'S NOT SURE WHAT IT WAS! He'd be lying if said he was, just like these contrail folks are lying when they say they're sure it was an eastbound airliner. I'm only 99.9 percent sure it was a missile, myself, and come to that conclusion by elimination of other possibilities. But back to how "unsure" Leyvas was -- I'll bet there are several things Leyvas is sure it wasn't, though nobody put the question to him that way. I venture to say he was 99 percent sure it wasn't a commercial jet heading east, a common occurance that the guy sees probably a dozen times in any working day.
I specifically asked Leyvas if the government told him not to talk about it. He said the government didn't tell him what he could or could not say, one way or the other. he was quite open and frank throughout our correspondence. He didn't have to return my first call, and did so on his own.
Furthermore, the government did not "seize" KCBS's raw video or his copy of it, and did not forbid them from showing it. If they were trying to cover up the video, Leyvas wouldn't still have access to his copy of it.
If .gov are trying to "cover up" the missile theory, they are being awful complacent about it.
KCBS has access the raw, uncut video, and they could release it if they wanted to. But that would show how they manipulated the video for sweeps weeks ratings.
And the object creating the plume was heading AWAY from So Cal, not toward it. It's to be expected that it was barely noticed by So Cal's millions -- at least, if you're familiar with the area and the ocean. Folks who've never lived here nor lived oceanfront, have zero idea of the on-site realities.
ON THE OTHER HAND, other folks I know who are more knowledgeable than I am with regard to military defense, aviation, and missiles, think it wasn't one of ours. *sigh* None of them thinks it was an airliner and in fact, snort in amused contempt when they learn that there are people who've actually seen the video and still think (or claim) it was an eastbound airliner!!!
Having watched Vandenberg missile launches for many, many decades, however, I've come to be pretty impressed with our missileers and still think that what Leyvas caught on film was a test that probably bodes ill for our enemies. :^) But I am disgusted and dismayed at an "official" line so lame that it tries to pass it off as an eastbound UPS plane. It's an insult to people's intelligence.
So you think what Leyvas filmed was a missile launched about 35 miles off the coast of California?
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Post your link(s) to the article(s) where ANYONE in an "official" position claimed it was UPS 902.
And if you even dare suggest that I, TXnMA, am in any way in support of the US government -- (specifically the socialist regime of Øbozo the Usurper) -- I'll simply refer you to my ten-year posting history here on FR and recommend that you read the OKC report section mentioned in my FRProfile. Then ask the USGovt. how they liked it! LOL!!!
In fact, quote one singe pro-government statement I have made. On this thread, I have deliberately remaned technical. I have no (zero) political agenda on this subject.
OTOH, based on your postings on these threads championing that CBS video hoax as the ONLY evidence, should we be asking what CBS entity you work for?
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You are barking up the wrong stump, missy...
His opinion. He even said it was his opinion.
"...I’m now of the opinion that it was indeed a plane." -Warren."
I don't really post to you, if you hadn't figure it out, because I know you for the black hole you are. You are designed to waste time, create eddies of confusion, toss in wondrous amounts of hooptidoodle (I know TX likes that word -- he's got good taste; it is an excellent word!). I don't write to you, I write to lurkers, if any are left (which is doubtful).
Your array of colorful and even kinetic posts (the one with the eye-trick of optical illusion, the squirmy thing, was over the top, IMO! Kudos!) has been entertaining and enraging, which is a strange sensation.
You stink like yesterday's diapers.
Are you still on this line of ‘If you don’t believe its a missile you are a liar/fraud/ignorant/uninformed because I say so’ line of bovine scat?
It was an airplane. Everything that makes a modicum of sense says it was an airplane. And to allay your irrational fear of “OMG the Chi-Coms launched a SLBM to eliminate 7 generations of my family’ fears, if you can see the launch plume of such a missile, you aren’t the target. It will be far beyond you before it reaches apogee. PCA is not going to be where you can see the launch unless it is a short range surface to surface missile, which aren’t going to be launched from a boomer.
If it was one of ours, there would have been a NOTAM, not just a notice to mariners. There would have been no commercial traffic at that time, and there was.
I do not believe you have ever really seen a missile launch up close. You may have seen the residuals, but never the real thing. I also do not believe you have spoken to an ‘aviation lighting expert’. Post his name, but I think you will say he hasn’t given you ‘permission’. You have accused far too many people of lying that haven’t a single reason for doing so.
It is time to put up or shut up. Stop your BS and put some real flesh on the line. If you can’t you are a lying sack. Which is what I think you are, because you have been nothing but bluster. Put up or shut up time.
Nice chest pounding, there!
You are very confused. People who are 100% certain (like me) that the contrail Leyvas filmed was a contrail do not believe it looks like a missile plume at all. Real...imagined...you name it. It looks nothing like a missile plume, unless you zoom in on it from over 100 miles away, and patch together a confusing video of 14 seconds worth of still images and momentary flashes from over 10 minutes of actual video. Amazingly, those 14 seconds are enough to convince a gullible few that what would be an easily noticable and hugely significant event occured within 35 miles of one of the largest cities in the world...but only two people of nearly 20 million bothered to get a picture of it.
And that is part of your problem. You choose not to live in the real world, but instead focus on a world of your making. That is what allows you to ignore reams of analysis and factual data that point in a thousand different ways to the conclusion that what Leyvas filmed on 8 Nov was a contrail. Instead, you focus entirely on a badly edited 52 second string of 14 seconds worth of zoomed in video to conclude you are seeing a missile in flight.
You can ignore the real people posting to you on FR, and instead engage in lectures to an imagined audience of lurkers, but as I have pointed out before, that simply adds validity to the conclusion that you are delusional.
Sorry, if you think that video is a plane you have lost some commonsense along the way!
Not going to cut it any more. I call you out as a liar. Prove what you say, or STFU.
Actually, there is no need to discredit the missile “theory” as its crap. But, you go ahead and apply your “government lies” about every possible thing.
Next time the government issues a hurricane warning, I want you outside to prove how they always lie...lol
The one thing a Conspiracy Theorist hates more than anything is when someone asks them to prove their point.
That is when they try to distract, hem and haw, accuse you of being a conspirator, call you names, and change the subject.
Finny and Tigerseye have not an ounce of proof beyond “gee that looks like a missile”
And neither of them have the stones to admit they are wrong.
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