U.S. warned people to avoid mystery missile zone

World Net Daily ^ | 12/01/2010 | F. Michael Maloof

[Sprite518]

The Department of Defense is slamming the door on questions about the mysterious contrail filmed Nov. 8 by a KCBS television crew near Los Angeles after questions were raised about a warning from the National Geo-Spatial Intelligence Agency that there could be missiles fired in that area at that time.

[editor-surveyor]

> “Why not release the 2-3 minutes, unedited, instead of just 15 seconds?”

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Could be that they were “leaned on.”

[editor-surveyor]

Just not on your page.

[dead]

Seriously, what is your native tongue?

Do you not understand what constitutes evidence?

We were talking about the murder of Ron Brown, and I picked one of your articles at random: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=7040.

It has absolutely nothing about the "murder" of Ron Brown. It mentions some business trips he took with the usual cast of criminals in and around the Clinton Administration.

Ron Brown was a shady crook. So was Bill Clinton, and Wu and Riady and Charlie Trie and that entire cast of characters.

When a scumbag dies in a plane crash, it does not follow as day follows night, that one of the other scumbags killed him. Making that next step would require some actual evidence that a murder took place.

WND has no evidence. Learn your terms and definitions. They have speculation and heresay from "sources familiar with the investigation."

I don't know if Ron Brown was murdered but it seems to me that crashing a plane with 33 other people on it in a foreign country without leaving any witnesses or evidence behind would be just about the most complicated way to do it. Oh, and then having an assassin within walking distance of the crash site, just in case the target of your conspiracy just happens to be left alive after the crash (which he was, heavens!) while all around him are dead would require a level of preparation and foresight not generally associated with a government operation.

Generally, if you want to off a guy, you throw him in a car and just disappear him. Or fake a mugging and stab him in the neck. Or shoot him and then dump his body in Ft. Marcy park. But WND figured out the real story. They always do.

[Hot Tabasco]

I'm getting pretty sold that this was a jet liner and the "where did it go" question is answered by "It landed".

...and no immediate on shore reports of the sighting other than the video taken at least 30 miles inland.........

National Geo-Spatial Intelligence Agency

Now that's a new one!...........

[TXnMA]

There have been so many of these idiotic threads that I've lost track of which one he posted about it on, but -- Dr. Brian Kopp had a long telecon with Gil Leyvas, and is in an ongoing e-mail exchange with him.

The most significants points (to me) were that his video has no timestamps, and that the entire thing is "probably still on the station's server"...

My guess is that SeeBS will not release it, because it will reveal how obviously they manufactured a "news" story out of a common, no-news, event.

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Rathergate: "Fake but Accurate"

Contrailgate: "Real, but A Lie"

[editor-surveyor]

Wow!

You read a couple of lines of one article and are able to establish that much.

Every WND article is loaded with clear evidence, just like the few articles I picked at random for you clear your head on.

[Cvengr]

The National GeoSpatial Intel Agency is the all gay intel group.

[TigersEye]

The report is dated Nov 6, but the warning is for October.

Here is one dated Nov. 20th for the previous six weeks.

NAVAREA IV WARNINGS issued from 041200Z to 101200Z November 2010.

NAVAREA XII WARNINGS issued from 041200Z to 101200Z November 2010.

451/10(GEN).
1. NAVAREA XII MESSAGES IN FORCE 060900Z NOV 10. ONLY THOSE
MESSAGES ISSUED DURING THE LAST SIX WEEKS ARE LISTED HEREIN.
2010 SERIES: 444(18), 445(19).
2. THE SUMMARY OF ALL NAVAREA XII MESSAGES IN FORCE AS OF
17 DEC 09 IS GIVEN IN SEC III OF NM 52/09. WARNINGS
ISSUED DURING THE SUBSEQUENT QUARTERS ARE SUMMARIZED
IN NM 13/10, 26/10 AND 39/10.
3. CANCEL NAVAREA XII 442/10, 443/10.

(060929Z NOV 2010)

452/10(19).

NORTH PACIFIC.
HAWAII.
MISSILES.
1. HAZARDOUS OPERATIONS 110100Z TO 110600Z NOV,
ALTERNATE 0100Z TO 0600Z DAILY 12 THRU 14 NOV
IN AREA BOUND BY
22-05N 159-46W, 22-10N 159-46W,
30-59N 162-52W, 28-35N 166-43W,
22-04N 159-51W, 22-02N 159-48W,
22-03N 159-48W.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 140700Z NOV.
(070929Z NOV 2010)

453/10(18).

EASTERN NORTH PACIFIC.
CALIFORNIA.
MISSILES.
1. INTERMITTENT MISSILE FIRING OPERATIONS 0001Z TO 2359Z
DAILY MONDAY THRU SUNDAY IN THE NAVAL AIR WARFARE CENTER
SEA RANGE. THE MAJORITY OF MISSILE FIRINGS TAKE PLACE
1400Z TO 2359Z AND 0001Z TO 0200Z DAILY MONDAY THRU FRIDAY
IN AREA BOUND BY
34-02N 119-04W, 33-52N 119-06W, 33-29N 118-37W,
33-20N 118-37W, 32-11N 120-16W, 31-54N 121-35W,
35-09N 123-39W, 35-29N 123-00W, 35-57N 121-32W,
34-04N 119-04W.
2. VESSELS MAY BE REQUESTED TO ALTER COURSE WITHIN THE ABOVE
AREA DUE TO FIRING OPERATIONS AND ARE REQUESTED TO CONTACT
PLEAD CONTROL ON 5081.5 MHZ (5080 KHZ) OR 3238.5 KHZ (3237 KHZ)
SECONDARY OR 156.8 MHZ (CH 16) OR 127.55 MHZ BEFORE ENTERING
THE ABOVE BOUNDARIES AND MAINTAIN CONTINUOUS GUARD WHILE
WITHIN THE RANGE.
3. VESSELS INBOUND AND OUTBOUND FOR SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
PORTS
WILL CREATE THE LEAST INTERFERENCE TO FIRING OPERATIONS
DURING THE SPECIFIC PERIODS, AS WELL AS ENHANCE THE VESSEL'S
SAFETY WHEN PASSING THROUGH THE VICINITY OF THE SEA RANGE
IF THEY WILL TRANSIT VIA THE SANTA BARBARA CHANNEL AND WITHIN
NINE MILES OFFSHORE VICINITY OF POINT MUGU OR CROSS THE AREA
SOUTHWEST OF SAN NICOLAS ISLAND BETWEEN SUNSET AND SUNRISE.
4. CANCEL NAVAREA XII 444/10.

(081520Z NOV 2010)

454/10(GEN).
MARITIME SAFETY INFORMATION DIVISION WEBSITE.
1. NGA MARITIME SAFETY INFORMATION DIVISION WEBSITE UNUSABLE
131300Z TO 132100Z NOV. FOR URGENT SERVICE, CONTACT
NGA NAVSAFETY, DSN: 287 3147, COMM: 800 362 6289 OR
301 227 3147, E-MAIL: NAVSAFETY@NGA.MIL OR MSG TO
NGA NAVSAFETY BETHESDA MD.
2. CANCEL THIS MSG 132200Z NOV.

(091659Z NOV 2010)

455/10(19).
NORTH PACIFIC.
HAWAII.
NGA CHART 19010 (19TH ED).
PAHOA DGPS STATION 19-31.1N 154-57.8W UNRELIABLE.

(100115Z NOV 2010)

[ltc8k6]

Again, these would not be the type of missiles claimed to have been seen launched.

[TigersEye]

There is no point in asking me that since I have never been in possession of the original video.

[TigersEye]

...and no immediate on shore reports of the sighting other than the video taken at least 30 miles inland.........

Thirty miles inland? What video are you talking about?

[TigersEye]

Again, these would not be the type of missiles claimed to have been seen launched.

Where do you get that? There is no indication in the NTMs of what types of missiles might be launched and there is no point at all in saying that the speculations made about what type of missile it was may not be correct.

[D-fendr]

If you read the WND article carefully, all the questions are asked and answered. No missile, definitely not a DOD missile, every possible source of US launch was checked. How WND makes this into "Officials refuse to explain launch warning where contrail filmed" and further infers it was a US launch (hence the "U.S. warned people to avoid mystery missile zone" headline) is beyond sloppy.

There's just no there, there in the article itself.

[TigersEye]

...every possible source of US launch was checked.

What is your source for that statement?

[ltc8k6]

Those warning are for the normal stuff going on at NAWC.

Small stuff. Ship to ship, naval warfare stuff.

What is claimed is not normal.

People are basically claiming that an ICBM was launched.

No blanking way!

http://www.navair.navy.mil/nawcwd/index.html

[Finny]

What to believe, what to believe????????

1. Believe your own eyes and be healthily skeptical of those armed with tech-overloaded mathematial calculations and comparison photos with overlays and charts and graphs and all manner of scientific-looking hooptidoodle who are doing their damndest to convince you you that some kind of "optical illusion" with regard to the curvature of the earth and a setting sun made a horizontal, bottom-lit condenstation trail starting hundreds of miles away and five miles above the earth, appear for all the world like a vertical back-lit plume.

2. Believe the folks experienced in watching missile launches. EVERYONE has seen thousands of airline contrails. MOST PEOPLE who are so gullible as to buy the optical illusion airline contrail gag have never seen a live missile launch. On literally ANY FORUM WHERE YOU SEE THIS DISCUSSED on the internet, whether it's here on FR, at the YouTube site, or at news-report sites of newspapers or television, the majority of commenters who've seen missiles live (and who by definition have ALSO, like every American who isn't blind, seen plenty of airline contrails first hand for comparison) state as their opinion that the phenomenon in the Leyvas video was NOT an airplane condensation trail, but resembled a missile launch plume. Believe them, because they've seen BOTH missile plumes first-hand and airline contrails. They're more qualified than someone who has only ever seen airline contrails and videos of missile launches.

Or you can believe your Obama-cized government.

[D-fendr]

My source is the WND article itself. The agency that issued the warning referred questions about launches to her boss - the DOD which, according to the article:

…Lt. Col. Robert Ditchey from the Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Public Affairs reaffirmed DOD's original statement by saying that inquiries were made with each of the services and the Department of Homeland Security which includes the Federal Aviation Administration and it was concluded that there were no launches that day."...

""NGA provided a report back on 10 Nov during the initial media coverage, that their Maritime Watch Desk had no information that would link the NAVAREA XII 453/2010 warning to the contrail reported in the media.

"All DOD entities with rocket and missile programs reported no launches, scheduled or inadvertent, during the time period in the area of the reported contrail," Ditchey said.

"In addition, the FAA ran radar replays from Monday afternoon (of Nov. 8) of a large area west of Los Angeles," he added. "Those replays did not reveal anything unusual. The FAA also did not receive reports of any unusual sightings from pilots who were flying in the area Monday afternoon."

Questions asked and answered. If the point of the article is to infer the warning means the US is not answering whether they launched a missile and hiding the evidence for it, or "slamming the door on questions about the mysterious contrail," that's refuted in their own article.

And the fact that NORAD said it was not a foreign military missile is once again irresponsibly left of in this and the original article.

[TigersEye]

The question about NTMs and NOTAMs has to do with whether the area in question was under any restrictions. It clearly was and often is. It isn't to prove any other point. What "other people claim" is irrelevant to that.

Interestingly the first post on CBS' website on Nov. 9th supports the idea that the airspace for normal flights from Hawaii to LA was altered on Nov. 8th.

Lorrie Laible

I find it intersting that no one “claims” to know about this. Yesterday we were returning from Honolulu on Hawaiian Airlines with an arrival time of 3:25 pm at LAX. Approximately 270 miles away our pilot came on the speaker and told us we would be rerouted over Big Sur California due to military maneuvers in our path. Maybe they should speak with the pilot of our flight.

November 9, 2010 at 2:44 pm | Reply | Report comment

[TigersEye]

That comes entirely down to believing that the DoD has told the complete truth. They haven’t released a single thing to back up their position.

[D-fendr]

All of my previous post's quotes are in the WND article. And yet, in the same article, they claim: "And the refusal to provide answers to specific questions suggests a cover-up of potential secret missile testing in the area."

When the article's actual facts, parsed out of what they "suggest" according to WND, show just the opposite. They suggest nothing of the sort that WND suggests. Good grief what shoddy journalism. Even CBS didn't hype that far.