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Lesbian, gay and bisexual teens singled out for punishment
Eurekalert.org ^ | 12/06/2010 | Kathryn Himmelstein / Staff

Posted on 12/06/2010 5:16:24 AM PST by Abathar

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To: sport
The strange thing was, that they never mentioned how quick a White person driving in the Black section of town would be pulled over when a officer saw them..

You are not joking! For the last 24 years, I have been married to a wonderful Hispanic woman! Her mom lives in a rather "rough" part of Dallas. An area where you typically would NOT see white people and especially NOT after dark.

Since I got out of the Marine Corps in 1995, I have been pulled over eight different times in this area and asked a simple question, "What are you doing in this neighborhood?" They assume I am panning for drugs or just stupid, but when I explain that my mother-in-law and sister-in-law live in this area, they just let me go.
81 posted on 12/06/2010 7:24:08 AM PST by ExTxMarine ("Convictions are more dangerous to truth than lies." ~ F. Nietzsche)
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To: PrincessB

Interesting observations. Thanks.


82 posted on 12/06/2010 7:25:16 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: fightinJAG
attention whore and, subset, drama whore teenagers

Mrs WBill has a number of gay friends. For the most part, they're all nice, well-adjusted, stable guys. Largely, their attitude is "I'm Gay. So What."

However - there are two of them that are nothing but attention-seeking drama whores. They portray themselves as the worst of all gay stereotypes - dressing in drag, lots of promiscuous sex (that they brag loudly about), and so on.

I'm convinced that these two (which, interestingly enough, are *not* and have never been a couple, from what little interaction I've had with them) are only "gay" because of two things:

1) the gay culture tolerates their personality traits. When was the last time one of the guys you hang around with had a fit over what you wore to the football game? Yeah, me either.

2) Being "gay" (and indulging in the worst of the stereotypes) gets them just that much more attention. I'm convinced that if there were some other, more "edgy" attention-getting culture type, that would still allow them to maintain their societal status...... they'd drop the whole gay thing like a hot rock.

83 posted on 12/06/2010 7:39:49 AM PST by wbill
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To: Abathar

Driving while gay bump.


84 posted on 12/06/2010 7:47:13 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: AppyPappy
“Different” kids tend to be attention whores.

ding ding ding. winner !
85 posted on 12/06/2010 7:54:07 AM PST by stompk
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To: wbill
Mrs WBill has a number of gay friends. For the most part, they're all nice, well-adjusted, stable guys. Largely, their attitude is "I'm Gay. So What."

I work out in a gym that has lot's of gay members(it's close to where I work). I see the same attitude as you posted. Very few are the feminate gays and most just want to be left alone in life. The few outspoken ones give the rest a bad image. As a matter of fact many of the gays don't like the drag queen, promiscous types but as one told me they can't do anything about them just like I can't dso anything about straight promiscous people such as hollywood types (Paris Hiltons, Lyndsay Lohans).

I don't agree with their lifestyle but as long as they don't bother me I don't have a problem with them.

I have become workout partners with a small group of gays and like them as friends.

86 posted on 12/06/2010 8:01:10 AM PST by hoyt-clagwell (5:00 AM Gym Crew)
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To: Abathar

They have chosen to make themselves social pariahs, to thumb their noses at convention and natural order and to live outside of the mainstream.

People who take similar paths are quick to offend and even quicker to take offense.

Think about other individuals who elect to be part of an extreme minority group or movement. They generally exhibit anti-social behavior and claim victimhood as a defense.

In some ways these people are like members of outlaw biker groups - they chose to become outcasts or to live outside the mainstream. Then they take offense because they are not viewed as part of the mainstream.


87 posted on 12/06/2010 8:11:59 AM PST by Iron Munro (This is our culture; fight for it. This is our flag; pick it up. This is our country; take it back.)
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To: MrB
Now just tell me how a police officer determining whether to make a traffic stop or not can tell that the driver is a queer!

Gaydar traps?

88 posted on 12/06/2010 8:14:49 AM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: hoyt-clagwell
I don't agree with their lifestyle but as long as they dont bother me I don't have a problem with them.

Yep. Live and Let Live is pretty much my philosophy too.

I do take issue with studies like this - I think that it's posing for more "special rights" for gays, under the false pretense of "Studies Show that....."

89 posted on 12/06/2010 8:20:38 AM PST by wbill
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To: wbill

Yes.

Labeling oneself as “gay” and then deliberately (or at least volitionally) courting all the biggest of the big societal reactions one can get is a tip-off that the person has a much bigger personal and/or political agenda.

The types of individuals who are NOT “I’m gay, so what” are often what I call homosexualists. The -ist comes from the
-ism: homosexualism, which is what I call the ideology and political agenda based on, or utilizing, homosexuality as its vehicle.

Obviously, heterosexual individuals can be homosexualists, even as they can be feminists, socialists, environmentalists, etc.

What homosexualists want the rest of society to accept is homosexualism, which is a whole conglomeration of Leftist garbage made even more virulent by a huge commitment to utter moral nihlism.

The military’s DADT and the Vatican’s Vatican II policies were attempts to separate the individuals who preferred homosexual sex from the homosexualists, those who used sexuality as a basis for their personal and political agendas.


90 posted on 12/06/2010 8:21:47 AM PST by fightinJAG (Americans: the only people in the world protesting AGAINST government "benefits.")
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To: Abathar

God forbade they are punished for acting up.


91 posted on 12/06/2010 8:40:34 AM PST by DMG2FUN
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To: Abathar; All

I think this is not worth any attention except to say “so what.” A person living a deviant lifestyle tend to be trouble makers anyway. So, it wouldn’t surprise me at all that they draw fire from authority figures....they are intrinsically anti-authoritarian.


92 posted on 12/06/2010 8:44:20 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: Abathar
Teens who reported feelings of attraction to members of the same sex, regardless of their self-identification, were more likely than other teens to be expelled from school or convicted of crimes as adults.

In other words, they found that people who hid their personal same-sex attractions were still more likely to be punished. I guess there is a magical "gaydar" that allows police to know that the person driving the car they are about to pull over is secretly gay, or the jury to determine that a defendent who has been accused of a crime harbors a secret attraction to them, which repulses them to vote for conviction.

Much more likely that the same issues that drive them to misplaced sexual attraction also drives them to other anti-social behaviors, which leads to them being punished.

It's not like it's hard to get thrown out of school -- my daughter received a 5-day suspension for writing the words "Mass Murder" on an in-class assignment where they were asked to hypothetically pick something they might do if they knew nobody would get hurt and no consequences would ensue. Apparently the correct answer was "commit armed robbery".

93 posted on 12/06/2010 10:39:47 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Well, it is a little hard to commit mass murder w/o anyone getting hurt...armed robbery, too, for that matter (depending upon the definition of “hurt”).


94 posted on 12/06/2010 10:57:11 AM PST by babyfreep
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To: CharlesWayneCT

But I will say getting a 5-day suspension for that is just odd. Is there more to the story?


95 posted on 12/06/2010 10:58:36 AM PST by babyfreep
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To: babyfreep

There is quite a story behind it. It’s all wrapped up in the school’s “threat assessment” policy. Some student in class told their parent who decided the post-it note was a “threat” to other students, and the school responded by invoking a threat assessment (despite the fact the teacher had already determined that there was nothing wrong with the answer, given in a AP psychology course).

They completed the assessment the next day after suspending her, and lifted the suspension, so she was only out 1 day plus part of the 1st day. They then excused the part-day absense, but charged her with “inappropriate behavior” and levied a retroactive 1-day suspension, I suspect because they felt it necessary to justify their stupid suspension.

Several appeals later, we were able to get them to agree to put the charge “in abeyance”, and to agree to wipe the record and close the case if nothing more happens.

Meanwhile, the police officer who interviewed us as part of the threat assessment (yes, a police officer talked to friends and classmates, and got hold of old homework, and wanted to inspect her room but I said no way), told me that he’s only known of one case where an assessment led to a finding of threat, and he thought that one was wrongly decided. He found no evidence of threat of course — and worse, while he was interviewing us, the school called and said they had finished their “threat assessment”, meaning they acted without his report. They knew they had screwed up.

Someday I’ll be writing a column about this — probably after the end of the school year, when they can no longer retaliate against her.


96 posted on 12/06/2010 11:24:29 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Jacquerie

AHHHHH!!!

That was mean.


97 posted on 12/06/2010 11:27:54 AM PST by Politicalmom (America-The Land of the Sheep, the Home of the Caved.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Wow - this zero-tolerance crap is for the birds. Good for you for saying “no way” to the room search. That’s ridiculous.


98 posted on 12/06/2010 12:29:00 PM PST by babyfreep
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To: Politicalmom; wbill; Rinnwald; Albion Wilde; celmak
They have theirs.

We have ours.

http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/entertainment/2009/09/28/conservative-calendar#slide=1

99 posted on 12/06/2010 12:46:28 PM PST by Jacquerie (It is only in the context of Natural Law that our Declaration and Constitution form a coherent whole)
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To: babyfreep

We laughed about that, because on her door she has a hand-painted poster that says “Keep out — Murder in Progress”.

We figured that, plus all the John Saul books, could leave the wrong impression. :-)


100 posted on 12/06/2010 2:47:56 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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