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Pushing a Right to Bear Arms, the Sharp Kind
New York Times ^ | December 4, 2010 | MARC LACEY

Posted on 12/05/2010 5:44:01 AM PST by Second Amendment First

Arizona used to be a knife carrier’s nightmare, with a patchwork of local laws that forced those inclined to strap Buck knives or other sharp objects to their belts to tread carefully as they moved from Phoenix (no knives except pocketknives) to Tempe (no knives at all) to Tucson (no knives on library grounds).

But that changed earlier this year when Arizona made its Legislature the sole arbiter of knife regulations. And because of loose restrictions on weapons here, Arizona is now considered a knife carrier’s dream, a place where everything from a samurai sword to a switchblade can be carried without a quibble.

Arizona’s transformation, and the recent lifting of a ban on switchblades, stilettos, dirks and daggers in New Hampshire, has given new life to the knife rights lobby, the little-known cousin of the more politically potent gun rights movement. Its vision is a knife-friendly America, where blades are viewed not as ominous but as tools — the equivalent of sharp-edged screw drivers or hammers — that serve useful purposes and can save lives as well as take them.

Sure, knife fights and knife attacks are a concern. No knife-lover would ever deny that. In fact, Todd Rathner, the lobbyist for Knife Rights Inc., an advocacy group based in Arizona that is now in its third year, was mugged twice in New York City before moving to Tucson, once — “ironically,” he said — at knifepoint.

But the problem is with the knife wielder, not the knife itself, the knife lobby says, sounding very much like those who advocate for gun rights.

In fact, knife advocates contend that the Second Amendment applies to knives as well as guns. They focus their argument elsewhere, though, emphasizing that knives fill so many beneficial roles, from carving Thanksgiving turkeys to whittling,

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To: Second Amendment First

Every truck stop I’ve ever been in has a case of them just like that.


2 posted on 12/05/2010 5:54:20 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: Second Amendment First

I like knives. I just bought a couple of rough-use knives from Cheaper than dirt. You can’t really carry a 14 inch knife around all day, but $10 for a 13.5 inch 440 stainless knife is a bargain. You can split wood, prune trees and find uses you never thought of before.

Furthermore, google Tueller drill. Inside of a 21 feet, knife beats gun most of the time.


3 posted on 12/05/2010 6:02:23 AM PST by Malsua
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To: myboyz

Ping!


4 posted on 12/05/2010 6:07:21 AM PST by basil (It's time to rid the country of "Gun Free Zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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As for the pocketknife he carries with him every day, Mr. Holder said: “I use it for everything — to clean my fingernails, to prune a tree or carve, even to eat dinner with.
Hope he washes it between nail-cleaning and eating.
5 posted on 12/05/2010 6:07:25 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Malsua

Note to self, empty gun into stranger with knife before drill starts.


6 posted on 12/05/2010 6:14:35 AM PST by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: knarf
In fact, knife advocates contend that the Second Amendment applies to knives as well as guns.

And they would be right.

Further there are a whole pile of non-defense reasons why knife bans are stupid. Many was the time I wished I had a switchblade and not because I wanted to play West Side Story.

Remember that switchblades were originally designed for ladies sewing kits.

7 posted on 12/05/2010 6:21:14 AM PST by Tribune7 (The Democrat Party is not a political organization but a religious cult.)
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To: knarf

No one should be allowed to carry anything that could be used to harm another person, therefore I am starting a campaign to have all hands and feet removed...come to think of it, headbutting is dangerous too, mmmmmm.


8 posted on 12/05/2010 6:22:21 AM PST by RipSawyer
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To: knarf

Gibbs’ Rule #9: Never go anywhere without a knife.


9 posted on 12/05/2010 6:22:34 AM PST by BuffaloJack (The Recession is officially over. We are now into Obama's Depression.)
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To: dangerdoc
Note to self, empty gun into stranger with knife before drill starts.

That's the issue. If your gun is holstered while his knife is out and he's within 21 feet, you lose.

10 posted on 12/05/2010 6:27:47 AM PST by Malsua
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To: knarf
I started carrying a pocket knife when I was in the 3rd grade. Got my very own knife for my 8th birthday. All through grade school and high school it wasn't unusual for one of the teachers to come to me to borrow my knife.

I haven't been without a knife in my pocket since I was 7 or 8 years old. I would feel “necked” without one.

11 posted on 12/05/2010 6:47:15 AM PST by IMR 4350
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To: knarf

As kids we all carried pocket knives. We played games with them, whittled branches and found a thousand different uses for the “Buck” knife or Scout Knife. Every boy had one. Geeeez! ,


12 posted on 12/05/2010 6:49:54 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: knarf
When a baseball bat and chainsaw just won
13 posted on 12/05/2010 6:54:00 AM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: IMR 4350
I got my first knife when I was 5. I found an old Barlow in a dusty corner of the barn. My dad gave me a whet stone and showed me how to get it shaving sharp. He told me that he would take it away if he ever found it less than sharp enough to shave. He said yanking and jerking on a dull knife is when you get cut.

I've carried a knife ever since.

14 posted on 12/05/2010 6:59:48 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Malsua
To many factors to make such statements. You are assuming that you don't react until he is attacking you ect.

If the attacker know anything about knife fighting you'll never know he has a knife until you are cut several times. If he is showing it to you at 21 feet or more he most likely trying to scare you not attack other wise he would have.

It also assumes you are slow on the draw I have placed two rounds into the center mass of the attacker practicing the drill from the holster.

A knife can and is a useful tool or weapon if use in the proper contexts.

Having spent hours learning to use both firearms and knife. I prefer firearms but also carry a knife because it is so useful.

I belive the drill is useful to teach yourself that you have to react to a known threat not just stand there and look stuip. Draw, move to cover, use your command voice, do all three just don't stand there and be stuip.

15 posted on 12/05/2010 7:01:22 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: RipSawyer
No one should be allowed to carry anything that could be used to harm another person, therefore I am starting a campaign to have all hands and feet removed...come to think of it, headbutting is dangerous too, mmmmmm.

B..b..but, all the hands and feet would have to be removed by someone in possession of something that can harm another person, which would be illegal, so.... (Oh, it just gets so confusing, like when two mirrors are facing one another!)

16 posted on 12/05/2010 7:06:55 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: knarf
In fact, knife advocates contend that the Second Amendment applies to knives as well as guns.

Perhaps however it's a strict rule of mine to never use a knife in a gun fight for self defense.

17 posted on 12/05/2010 7:12:37 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Malsua

Never take a knife to a gun fight unless you really know how to throw well.


18 posted on 12/05/2010 7:12:46 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: riverrunner

“I prefer firearms but also carry a knife because it is so useful.”

I would have thought so. A knife is better than nothing, and it’s quiet. Other than that, I’d imagine that a hand gun or sawed off shotgun is ideal for close range.


19 posted on 12/05/2010 7:15:36 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: RipSawyer

Rocks too. The gov’mint could try a rock buyback program. That would stimulate even better than unemployment checks.


20 posted on 12/05/2010 7:16:50 AM PST by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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