Please tell me you don’t believe your post 16.
None of that is true, and the view you posted completely negates the need for Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross.
[ Please tell me you don’t believe your post 16.
None of that is true, and the view you posted completely negates the need for Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross. ]
The ultimate Origianl Sin, is the sin of dependance on others. We see this sin of dependance in full swing today don’t we?
If Jesus died on the cross to clense our “original sin” the one from the garden of eden, then why do people even get baptised to cleanse the original sin in the first place if it was already cleared 2,000 years ago? Seems redundant, doesn’t it? Jesus died for all of our sins on the cross, past sins and future sins as well.
If the ‘kicking out’ of Adam and Eve was due to ‘growing up’, there’s be no original SIN, and thus, no need for Jesus.
I’d have to say that the view you put forth in post 16 is incorrect.
That is the kind of nonsense that pervades “modern” Christianity. It’s part and parcel with the rationalization that everything is OK to do as long as it makes you feel good, regardless of what may be written to the contrary.
Whether it is a correct understanding of the situation is not so much the matter. However it was - and it does seem reasonable - it does NOT negate the desire of Yahuweh to present again His physical self - Yahushua ([the term 'Jesus' appears nowhere in the Apostolic scriptures]) to us in 1BC-33AD for the purpose of providing the Way back to observing and embodying His Covenant as established with Abraham and recorded in the Torah.
'Jesus' is a 16th century term created by the errant German printers/Catholic monk translators of the Tanach and Apostolic Scriptures.
That most "Christian" groups ([again an incorrect translation from the Apostolic Scriptures AND Roman writings of the time, should read "Chrestaunous", the 2 terms do NOT have the same meaning]) gets this matter wrong is the core of the present problem within the "Ekklesia".
That the various "Ekklesia" do not use His correct name is also why Satan has such an easy effort to corrupt and mislead the "Yahudym" [in Hebrew it means members of Yah's family] of today.
That Adam and Chawuh (another intentional errant translation from the original text as Eve is the name of a pagan sun goddess) were driven out of Eden is because they took it upon their self to decide what was the correct set of instructions to follow.
At that point in our history The Covenant was not explicitly defined - as the relationship a parent has with the young child is not spelled out to the child but the child is instructed to do or do not certain behaviors.