Posted on 12/01/2010 8:25:32 AM PST by markomalley
November 29, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Every once in a while, one stumbles upon a terrifying level of honesty among abortion supporters. Normally, the truth is something that refreshes us when we come upon it - not so in this realm.
Such is the nomenclature of what appears to be a moderately successful group dedicated solely to providing low-income women with abortion money, called the Lilith Fund.
The Texas-based group explains its name on its website as follows: “Lilith was the first woman created by God, as Adam’s wife and equal. Because Lilith refused to be subservient or submissive, she was sent away from Eden.”
This is a somewhat accurate presentation of Lilith’s bio; however, it’s certainly not the whole story. Here’s how the Hebrew legend, as first described in the Alphabet of Ben Sira of the 8th-10th century, ends: after Lilith flew away (and was not sent) from Eden, God punished her by dictating that one hundred of her own demon children would be killed each day. She responds by asserting her perpetual desire to sicken and kill newborn infants.
The abortion industry’s poster girl if ever there was one.
In fact, the primordial population control expert bears a significance far beyond Hebrew culture. The recognition of Lilith, Lilit, or Lilitu as a demoness of night or wind traces an etymological path through the earliest civilizations, believed first to appear as early as 4000 BC in Sumer. “Lilith” may even be mentioned in the Bible, Isaiah 34:14: after God has reduced Edom to an uninhabitable waste, “the lilith … find[s] for herself a place to rest” there. In Assyrian, Babylonian, and Greek mythology, Lilith emerged as a strong symbol of perverse barrenness, a desert-dwelling monster with breasts devoid of milk, that terrified nearby mothers by strangling and devouring their children.
Unsurprisingly, as Adam’s supposed original wife, Lilith is touted in Wiccan and occult circles to this day as the “first Eve” or “first mother” over and above Eve herself and the New Eve, Mary, whose selfless openness to life represents Lilith’s pure inverse.
In her Greco-Roman incarnation, Lilith (Lamia in Latin) was an even more fascinating - and insightful - symbol of the total corruption of female fertility. There we learn the child-eating Lamia actually suffers unbearable grief from the sight of her own dead babies, a grief made eternal because Zeus had forced her eyes to remain open permanently. In a gesture of pity, Zeus allowed Lamia occasionally to find relief by pulling her eyeballs out of their sockets. (Well, that was nice.)
The bizarre myth, an uncanny portrait of post-abortive grief, echoes in testimonies from the women of Silent No More Awareness depicting decades of being torn with obsessive anguish over their lost little ones.
One might wonder what would possess the Lilith Fund to follow through with such a cheery mascot. On its Facebook page earlier this year, the group eerily invited fans to express their devotion to abortion by posting the phrase “I am meeting Lilith” as their status, “if you have had an abortion or know someone who’s had an abortion.”
The Fund notes that old Lil is today “the feminist icon of the free-spirited strong woman” - and in fact, the revoltingly barren, sex-crazed, child-killing monster has found favor in modern “feminist theology” as a symbol of rebellion against patriarchal repression. Other pro-abortion feminist organizations have snapped up the name as well. (One of several such blogs, The Lilith Plan, helps women self-abort and even provides gruesome instructions for an illegal do-it-yourself D&C abortion.)
It seems some abortioneers are at least honest enough to openly associate with the child-killing demon who is even more well-fed in our modern world than she was 6000 years ago. Even if relatively few, it’s a good reminder that some know exactly what it means to be “pro-choice.”
Indeed, not all people understand the concepts of rational belief or or ultimate standards.
I understand you, though, stuart. You don’t want to face up to the fact that your “preferences” are not acceptable to God. No, it’s not acceptable because you “were made that way”. It’s understandable that you would prefer to reject the biblical, divinely revealed standard, because it points out something you don’t want to (not can’t) change.
God has revealed His nature and His “limitations” in His Word. It’s not any sort of “leap of faith” to read and understand what has been revealed.
You DON’T WANT TO believe. It, the divine revelation, points out that your lifestyle is unacceptable.
1 Cor 6:9-10
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
Once again you show that because you believe something, that is the way it is. If you did understand me, then you wouldn’t honestly be able to say the things you do, because I don’t reject the bible, I just don’t believe some of what’s in it and I ask questions you don’t like.
How arrogant of someone to use capital letters to tell another individual, what they want or do not want.
And therefor you are apply your baseless reason as a higher standard than the revealed Word of God. It's like measuring a ruler with a stick and saying the ruler is wrong.
I ask questions you don’t like
It's not that I don't "like" your questions. They are actually easily answered. It's you that don't like the answers.
ad hominems will not allow you to escape the truth
No. You haven’t been able to grasp that while you believe the bible to be the Revealed Word of God, I don’t. It’s more like you not being able to accept that all others do not believe as you do, and that there may be things you don’t know about God.
No you don’t answer, you merely tell people they are wrong if it’s not the way you believe it is.
I guess you really can’t read or comprehend what others say.
Bye for now, gotta get ready to see the Lion King.
You keep pointing back to me for some reason.
It’s not my own understanding that I’m basing my assertions on. It’s the Word of God. Not my opinion, not my belief, but the actual Words written therein.
You may reject it, but you have no rational basis on which to do so, because in so rejecting it, you reject the basis for rationality itself.
Also in rejecting it, you are putting yourself as the ultimate standard of truth in the universe. Do you really believe that you are?
Indeed, I make no claim to know everything about God, though you accuse me of saying that I do. I do believe what He has revealed, but it’s not true because I believe it, I believe it because it is true. The Ultimate Standard.
I answer based on that Ultimate Standard. You reject the answers based on no standard but your own “reason”, which the ultimate standard says is inherently flawed.
Again with the ad hominems. You know, don't you, that that doesn't "win" any philosophical argument?
No, it is you, not the book. I don’t believe in the book the same way you do, so you say I’m wrong. You do not say that we differ or that are beliefs are the same. That is you, not the bible.
Can you not understand any of this?
What is there to win here? I’m not telling people they are wrong, am I? None of any of this can be proved or dis-proved. That is the nature of faith. You cannot prove the bible is the word of God just by saying God said it was, because you cannot prove that God actually said it...unless you believe the bible. It is a circle, just like all of these conversations are.
Even I know my children will disobey me and rebel at some point. That doesn't preclude me from loving them, making promises to them or bearing their burdens for them.
I understand it perfectly, having had training in this very discussion.
You base your beliefs on nothing but your own understanding, which is, well, based on nothing.
I base my beliefs not on myself or my understanding, but on the Ultimate Standard of the revealed Word of God, which has proven itself to be divinely inspired. It cannot be “measured” against anything else, because in so doing, you elevate that something else to be a higher standard.
Again, do you believe your understanding to be the Ultimate Standard of truth? If not, what is?
The closest one can come to this being true theologically speaking is to say that the ultimate original sin was the lack of dependence on God and an attempt to be independent of God's will and God's covering.
Yes
It is interesting to me that God did not drive out the woman from the garden, just the man:
So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side[e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.
Did Jesus sin when he fed the 5000, did the 5000 sin by eating? Did God sin when he provided Manna to the Hebrews, did the Hebrews sin by eating it?
That’s the nature of an “ultimate” standard. There is nothing to prove it by but itself, which it indeed does through the fulfilment of specific prophecy. It is not a circular argument. It is an endpoint.
You have faith in those things which are unclear.
You use the ultimate standard to determine and discern those which are clear, and often repeatedly so.
Why have you had training on this very discussion?
You base your beliefs on what you believe to be the Ultimate Standard, as do I. We just have different standards, and you cannot grasp that notion. Fine with me, but you certainly don’t find me going around telling people they’re wrong. If people believe other than I do, I can accept that. Can you?
How has it proven itself to be divinely inspired, you have proof?
My understanding is my Ultimate Standard. Yours, is yours. I believe God quite capable of instilling into each of us, His Ultimate Standard for that individual. That is what makes us unique. That, I believe, is our soul.
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