Posted on 12/01/2010 8:25:32 AM PST by markomalley
Actually...
When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
Dude was there the whole time.
Having to leave a soft existence is also a punishment, along with the curses...but I have known women that had no pain in childbirth, but that is not the norm...A friend told her husband she was going into labor and go next door to get the neighbor to assist...a few minutes later when he came back with the neighbor, she already had the baby...It was her fifth. She said she only felt a little pressure....
The curse of pain in childbirth does not always happen....just a little factoid...
This is certainly shocking (sarc/off)
I also know a woman who had little pain with half her kids. Seems to be a special blessing God gives some women.
Tell me, was it the upper half or the lower half of the kids that caused little pain?
Isaiah 34:14 (English Standard Version)
14 And wild animals shall meet with hyenas;
the wild goat shall cry to his fellow;
indeed, there the night bird[a] settles
and finds for herself a resting place.
Is a belief that is held to be self-evident to an individual, rational?
If the ‘kicking out’ of Adam and Eve was due to ‘growing up’, there’s be no original SIN, and thus, no need for Jesus.
I’d have to say that the view you put forth in post 16 is incorrect.
God is omnipotent to the point that He cannot violate His own nature.
He cannot lie, and He cannot create a contradiction or a logically false condition.
He cannot create square circles.
This is why free will cannot be consistent with totally obedient creatures.
You have posed this sophomoric question many times,
and never seem to understand (ie, accept) the answer.
Attempts to “allegorize” Genesis invariably lead to a denial of the need for Jesus’ atoning sacrifice. I think those behind perpetuating these attempts knows full well that that is the result and goal.
Then there is me that yelled give me the drugs. LOL :O)
Ba-dum-bum!
It was the last four of her eight children. And properly I should have said "little discomfort" because she had no pain and just felt pressure...enough pressure to know when to push.
When discussing this matter, I always think of Bill Cosby saying, "Then she reached out, grabbed my bottom lip and cried out, 'I...WANT...MORPHINE!!!" LOL!
It could have been worse. James McDonald mentioned in a radio sermon that one of his church members was passing a kidney stone when she went into labor. She reported that the pain from the stione was so bad that she barely noticed the pain of childbirth!
While you may believe she didn’t exist, I really don’t know if she existed or not.
I don’t recognize the version you referred to, but it does match the KJV, too. It is more vague in the Amplified, “...she took of its fruit and ate; and she gave some also to her husband, and he ate.” That one dances around a bit. Not good that all the times I’ve read that passage, that I couldn’t remember it correctly!
Nope, Adam, you can’t pass the buck if you were standing right there, allowing the serpent to chit chat with your wife! Must’ve been a tad curious himself.
Those are just names, concepts that we humans use to understand things and communicate. Can He make something that is square round? Why not? All He has to do is move the sides of the square. He made water turn into wine didn’t He?
You say God must obey the rules He made? Can He change the rules, like having someone come back from the dead or ascend into heaven in bodily form? If He can do it once, why not twice, or why not something else that we believe are controlled by these rules, but just haven’t experienced yet?
Doesn’t the Declaration of Independence mention self-evidence? Is that not rational?
Self-evident based on the assumption of biblical principals, and therefor rational.
That’s because I don’t believe you.
You have no way of proving that God can or cannot do any of the things you mention, neither can I...that’s why it’s called belief and requires a leap of faith for some. You seem to think it’s knowledge, I don’t.
Not all people base their assumptions on biblical principals.
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