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To: edge919
“The best available evidence disputes this.”

I disagree that this is the case.

“Which makes all the more important to demand full disclosure.”

That would be nice, but you are unlikely to get it.

“We don't have a few dozen, but there have been several random BCs posted that show a general sequential numbering system that goes along with the chronological order in which BCs are filed.”

To demonstrate anything you need a group from a common time period, say a full month. A few here and there over a few years tell you nothing (go read about aliasing). You may as well take the outside temperature at noon once in January, once in May and once in August and insist that temperature increases steadily upward with no fluctuations. Then from that conclude that a claim that it was colder at night on April 3rd than it was during the day on March 29th is clearly false.

“The procedures as explained by a DOH employee support this numbering pattern, so again, the best available evidence supports the idea that the cert. no. is an anomaly and impossibility.”

Claims from folks with no first direct knowledge of how things were done in 1961 do not make other possibilities impossible or irrational.

“Obama’s alleged cert. no. is irrationally out of sequence, and the state of Hawaii REFUSES to affirm that the number belongs to Obama despite having statutory authority to confirm who the number does belong to. Why hide the truth when there's no legal reason to hide it??”

I'm more inclined to think that Hawaii after having tried to make something of a good faith effort, however poorly, figured out that they were dealing with kooks who weren't going to be happy with what they got unless if confirm their presumptions. And that after a point there was no reason to continue the exercise.

83 posted on 12/01/2010 4:45:38 PM PST by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: El Sordo

You said, “I’m more inclined to think that Hawaii after having tried to make something of a good faith effort, however poorly, figured out that they were dealing with kooks who weren’t going to be happy with what they got unless if confirm their presumptions. And that after a point there was no reason to continue the exercise.”

Okubo’s statement appeared to be a triumphant answer to refute the questions people had regarding whether “date filed” means something was deficient with the certificate. She thought she was trumping us all.

In fact, she thought so much of her answer that she sent an unsolicited triumphant e-mail to another colleague of mine, saying she had a better answer to give him than her previous answer of (paraphrased) “We don’t need to answer no steenkin’ questions from the likes of you!”

She thought she was telling us what we DIDN’T want to hear; had no clue that what she said was a knife in the back of the Factcheck COLB.

Regardless of her motives, the facts she stated are either correct (in which case Factcheck is known to be a forgery) or else she triumphantly told a lie in order to get people to shut up (in which case there’s good reason to wonder what ELSE she has lied about to keep powerful people from pressuring her...) No matter how you slice it, an investigation is definitely in order.


86 posted on 12/01/2010 4:57:41 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: El Sordo
To demonstrate anything you need a group from a common time period, say a full month. A few here and there over a few years tell you nothing (go read about aliasing). You may as well take the outside temperature at noon once in January, once in May and once in August and insist that temperature increases steadily upward with no fluctuations. Then from that conclude that a claim that it was colder at night on April 3rd than it was during the day on March 29th is clearly false.

Ummm, this is complete and utter nonsense. You're comparing the systematic filing of government records with temperature fluctuations?? What the hell is wrong with you??

133 posted on 12/01/2010 9:40:18 PM PST by edge919
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