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To: joe fonebone

Joe, go to post 132 and answer what tired old conservative hasn’t yet answered: In the Authorization to Use Force, what military officer did Congress authorize to “use appropriate force” in Afghanistan?

What military officer acting independently of the President has the authority to tell Lakin and other soldiers to go to Afghanistan and conduct combat operations there? Lind said Obama’s Constitutional status is irrelevant because Congress said the military didn’t need no stinkin’ president in order to give Lakin those orders.

Precisely WHERE did Congress authorize “the military” to use force in Afghanistan? It wasn’t in the Authorization to Use Force, so where was it? That is the crux of Lind’s whole argument that Obama’s status is irrelevant. She’s going to send a distinguished, noble officer to jail based on exactly what?


139 posted on 12/02/2010 6:18:19 AM PST by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Based on feeling good about saving face of/for her political masters...


140 posted on 12/02/2010 9:01:27 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: butterdezillion
Actually, I have answered it. You simply refuse to acknowledge or accept reality because of the personal emotional investment you have made in this issue.

Look up Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution. You will find that Congress, not the President, has the following powers:

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Congress has those powers because the Founders understood perfectly well that giving one Commander-in-Chief total control over the armed forces is irreconcilable with the survival of freedom and a representative democracy.

Consistent with its Constitutional authorities, Congress has enacted Article 10 of the United States Code. Article 10 provides the legal basis for the roles, missions and organization of each of the services as well as the United States Department of Defense. Article 10 establishes the and defines the authorities of the Secretary of Defense and the Service Secretaries, all of whom are approved by Congress. The Service Secretaries are authorized by Congress to establish Service Regulations that provide the authority for military officers to issue orders. Any order issued by the Secretary of Defense or a Service Secretary, and amplified as necessary at lower levels to carry out, is legal and binding all the way down.

So, in effect, the basic military structure is owned and maintained by Congress. It is a tool Congress defines and creates. The President is constitutionally authorized to use that tool, within limits that are debated all the time. But when Congress authorizes use of force, the President decides how that force is to be applied at the strategic and high tactical levels. The Secretary of Defense then issues the appropriate top level orders. Officers below him issue the required subsidiary orders. All those orders have statutory authority via Congress. By design, the military can legally function all the way down no matter what its level of decapitation. That's an important point for operational forces, which can be isolated from contact with command authority while simultaneously experiencing loss of command personnel.

That is why Judge Lind correctly concludes:

Any suggestion by the defense that the authority of military officers to issue any lawful orders ceases to exist if a serving President is found to be unqualified by the Constitution to hold office is an erroneous view of the law. Similarly, any suggestion by the defense that if a President is found to be unqualified by the Constitution to hold office, service-members have no duty to follow any orders issued by their military superiors is equally erroneous.

It's pretty simple. And then there's the de facto officer doctrine that dictates even if Obama is found ineligible, actions taken under color of office are valid. This country and its government were not designed by total morons, and it does not fall to pieces at the drop of the hat. If you choose to read the Congressional authorization of force like a child, insist the President is your magic prince, and hold your breath until you turn blue, that is your right. But it is a silly, erroneous, and juvenile act that will not be acknowledged or respected by reality. I'm sorry if that cause you more distress, but it is you who has chosen to remove yourself from the realm of rational discourse.

143 posted on 12/02/2010 9:58:54 AM PST by tired_old_conservative
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To: butterdezillion
"She’s going to send a distinguished, noble officer to jail based on exactly what?"
Failure to deploy when ordered.....list all the crap you want to, when a soldier, sailor, airman or marine is ordered to deploy, you deploy. Period. End of discussion.
225 posted on 12/03/2010 5:46:25 AM PST by joe fonebone (The House has oversight of the Judiciary...why are the rogue judges not being impeached?)
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