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So rather than give us REAL arguments against the KJV other than HERESY! HERESY!HERESY! all your arguments are basicly nitpicking.

• 13 “And whereas they urge for their second defence of their vilifying and abusing of the English Bibles, or some pieces thereof, which they meet with, for that heretics, forsooth, were the authors of the translations, (heretics they call us by the same right that they call themselves Catholics, both being wrong) we marvel what divinity taught them so”.

Vladimer said the English translations were good, then attacks them.

The KJV has no notes, so you attack the alternate readings in the margin.

You attack the “changes” demanded by King James I. Anyone with an ounce of brains already knows that those changes are of no importance except to make the King feel good.

Even the Catholic bibles have had changes in them. Here is what the KJV Translators had to say about this...

“18 Nay, we will yet come nearer the quick: doth not their Paris edition differ from the Lovaine, and Hentenius’s from them both, and yet all of them allowed by authority?”

20 “Nay, further, did not the same Sixtus ordain by an inviolable decree, and that with the counsel and consent of his cardinals, that the Latin edition of the Old and New Testament, which the Council of Trent would have to be authentic, is the same without controversy which he then set forth, being diligently corrected and printed in the printing-house of Vatican? Thus Sixtus in his preface before his Bible.
• 21 And yet Clement the Eighth his immediate successor, publisheth another edition of the Bible, containing in it infinite differences from that of Sixtus, (and many of them weighty and material) and yet this must be authentic by all means”.

You attack the Translators and someone posted in another thread that the translators were unknown.

I posted a complete list of translators. Not a hack among them.

So you say there are books missing. I checked my publisher and they have a KJV with the Apocrypha and you can also order it in a separate printing..

Everyone should read the Apocrypha at least once so you will see why they are as irrelivant as THE SHEPHERD OF HERMAS, which is in the Alexandrian MMS..

The translators of the KJV in their preface (missing in most modern printings except the larger Cambridge editions)state precisely what their goal was in the KJV translation, “to make a good one better”.

Are there better translations today? YES! But they don’t have the “music” that public reading of the KJV has.

The KJV! Four hundred years old and still going strong!

“The Catholic Church gathered/Organized/ordered the Canon and is exclusivley responsible for it’s protection for almost 2000 years. So yeah.....”

You do realize there was no such thing as the Roman Catholic Church for hundreds of years. Frankly, as a Baptist, it looks to me like the Bishop of Rome broke with all the other bishops, not they with him. Even if one grants that a hierarchical church was God’s plan - and I do not - then one would need to ask who broke away from whom. Even after the hierarchy developed, the Bishop of Rome was responsible for his area, and other bishops responsible for theirs.

Yes, I’ve read Matthew 16:16, but I see no justification for the idea that Peter was to rule over all others. If that was what Jesus was trying to communicate, he sure didn’t speak clearly!

That said, the church in 400 AD agreed (mostly) on what was being used as scripture, although it continued to debate the value of the Apocrypha and many continued to debate on Revelations. It was a bottom up process, with the council recognizing what was already accepted rather than pulling a list out of its own mind. The congregations drove the decision by what they already accepted.

The Hebrew scriptures, without any controlling body determining them, were already recognized as scripture. The Gospels, Paul’s letters and 1 Peter and 1 John were recognized as scripture almost as soon as the ink dried.

Nor was the Roman Catholic Church responsible as custodian of the scriptures, since the Orthodox also kept copies, as did other groups. And Protestant Bibles, except Wycliffe’s translation, have never been based on Jerome’s translation. Tyndale and Luther both went to the Greek and Hebrew, not the Vulgate.

The Vatican DOES have many valuable manuscripts. So does the British Museum...

“...exclusivley responsible for it’s protection for almost 2000 years.”

I suspect Wycliffe, Tyndale and others would dispute the exclusive protection the Catholic Church gave. The Word of God was meant for all men. Protecting it by locking it up was, shall we say, a bit misguided. I’d rather see scripture ‘protected’ the way the Wycliffe Bible Translators do it (http://www.wycliffe.org/).