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Countdown to Oblivion: North Korea artillery strike - the Start of the First Nuclear War?
The Daily Mail, UK ^ | 27th November 2010 | Tom Cain

Posted on 11/27/2010 5:36:01 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

Countdown to Oblivion: North Korea artillery strike - the Start of the First Nuclear War?

By Tom Cain

At the time, people called it the Third World War. Now though, we refer to the ­terrible events of late 2010 in a different way. We call this the First Nuclear War.

It began on November 23, 2010, when North Korean artillery bombarded the small island of Yeonpyeong, which lies in the Yellow Sea, just south of the maritime border between the two Koreas.

More than 60 properties were set ablaze and four people were killed. South Korea’s staunch ally President Barack Obama immediately ­dispatched an aircraft carrier to take part in ­exercises with the South Korean Navy in the Yellow Sea.

Meanwhile, China — a traditional supporter of North Korea — remained ominously silent, pointedly refusing to join in the chorus of ­international criticism that had followed the shelling. In the South Korean capital Seoul, President Lee Myung-bak called for restraint. But it was a lone voice of peace.

Meanwhile, the official North Korean news agency declared that: ‘North Korea will wage second and even third rounds of attacks ­without any hesitation, if warmongers in South Korea make reckless military provocations again.’

Inexorably, the rhetoric on both sides became ever more heated. Now, two of the most militarised nations on earth — North Korea had the world’s fourth-largest army, South Korea the sixth — found themselves trapped aboard a runaway political train.

Its ­momentum was unstoppable. And its destination was war.

The two nations faced one another across a border that ran across the Korean peninsula, roughly along the line of the 38th parallel

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333558/Countdown-Oblivion-North-Korea-artillery-strike--Start-First-Nuclear-War.html#ixzz16UM20vSk

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Israel; Japan; News/Current Events; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: china; israel; northkorea; nuclear; nuclearwar; russia; wargame
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The only way there can be a nuclear war is if there is an aggressive nuclear detonation, carried by a delivery system a long way. This means missiles. And missiles can be shot down by other missiles.

Lots of problems here.

The first one is “overkill”. Contrary to popular belief, overkill does not mean to hit the same target a bunch of times. In fact, almost the opposite is true. Overkill means that both nuclear weapons and the missiles that carry them tend to not work at a pretty high rate.

Missiles can just not launch, or they can blow up on their pad or in their silo. Just getting out of their silo kills some. As does failure in their first stage, or if their expended first stage doesn’t separate properly. Or their second or third stage have problems. Or their guidance system.

If any other nukes are going off anywhere around, it can scramble a missiles electronics. A lot fail in reentry, and then finally, they either miss their target by a long distance, or the nuclear weapon fails for any of a number of reasons.

Oh, yes, and they can be perfectly functional, and still get shot down. Or have their electronics messed with by electronic countermeasures. Or a scrambled fighter aircraft AESA radar. Or Mr. Murphy’s mother, Lady (Bad) Luck.

And, if the US has one of its airborne lasers in the area...


21 posted on 11/27/2010 7:27:18 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Quix; Whenifhow; houeto; null and void; Squantos; xrmusn; bronxville; Screaming_Gerbil; ...
"Nuclear Terror" ping.

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FReepmail me if vou want on or off The Comedian's "Nuclear Terror" ping list...


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

22 posted on 11/27/2010 7:28:42 AM PST by The Comedian (Government: Saving people from freedom since time immemorial.)
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To: screaminsunshine

Five Star General, Douglas MacArthur was must have had a prescient vision when he declared “..We must win. There is no substitute for victory.” And prepared to execute the Joint Chiefs’ draft orders to nuke Manchuria in 1951.


23 posted on 11/27/2010 7:39:10 AM PST by calico_thompson
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To: mc5cents

that’s exactly what I was thinking—”South Korea’s staunchest ally”???? w/e!!


24 posted on 11/27/2010 7:42:31 AM PST by GOP_Thug_Mom (Iibera nos a malo (Obama, aka: malum vir per puteulanus labiae))
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To: sukhoi-30mki

This reads like the Cliff’s Notes from a Dale Brown novel, and that’s about the best I can say about this piece...


25 posted on 11/27/2010 7:44:25 AM PST by Bean Counter (Stout Hearts!!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Slightly exaggerated scenario but certainly plausible. Once the Rubicon is crossed and the first balloon goes up, all bets are off.

If Chinese nukes are landing on the Continental U.S., would that mean we have to rely on FEMA to protect us? Lovely.

All that “fallout shelter” and nuclear survival information from the 1950s is now forgotten. People no longer have a clue about nuke effects, except for a few “survivalists” and “preppers” who get absolutely no respect in the media.

Time to take out a few “put” options on “Human Race, Inc.”


26 posted on 11/27/2010 8:07:28 AM PST by DNME (Got a year's supply of food in storage? No? Then too bad for you!)
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To: The Comedian; don-o; jimrob; Alamo-Girl; All

From:

INTERESTING GUN VS MD DEATH STATS:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread634036/pg1

posted on 26/11/2010 @ 05:08 this post According to the source (I say...OMG) :

US Gun Statistics
Various Sources
2-2-5

(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is 700,000.
(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are 120,000.
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 0.171.

(Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept. of Health Human Services)

Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000.
Yes, that is 80 million.

(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500.
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.000188.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.
Remember, “Guns don’t kill people, doctors do.”

FACT: NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.

Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand!

Out of concern for the public at large, I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention.

Posted

By ATS member:

Trueman

[original source is not smiled on here]


27 posted on 11/27/2010 8:10:51 AM PST by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: screaminsunshine
MacArthur was right. Truman was Wrong.

1. MacArthur took part in the massacre of the Bonus Army. Never forget that.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki saved MILLIONS by ending the war. That makes Truman OK in my book.

28 posted on 11/27/2010 8:20:22 AM PST by backwoods-engineer ("The Constitution is not an instrument for government to restrain the people..." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: backwoods-engineer

More members of the Bonus Army died at the hands of Roosevelt(258 veterans sent to the Florida Keys as part of the CCC that were killed by the Labor day Hurricane of 1935)then died at the Bonus Army Massacre(4 veterans, two killed by DC police two more killed when MacArther ordered the removal of the bonus Army from DC and one infant miscarried during the event).

It can be said that The whole Bonus army episode was orchestrated by the same people that wanted FDR to be President, you know the Democrats as well as those in Big Business that wanted General Smedley D. Butler to overthrow the government and use FDR as a puppet or a figurehead.

Faced with the very real possibility that Big Business was going to seize power through the Bonus Army Butler told them that he would raise a larger force and save the nation if they tried.


29 posted on 11/27/2010 8:38:56 AM PST by usmcobra (.Islam: providing Live Targets for United States Marines since 1786!)
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To: Bamanot
<<>>>. If the Officers and men on the ships make an effort to defend themselves, obama will probably have them court martialed. If the ships are hit and men are killed, funerals and politicans shedding crockaidle tears saying how brave they were. Other than that, not a whole hellofalot. if you are inquiring about any action that will/would taken to avenge their deaths and the unprovoked attack on the United States of America, forget it. The World's messiah [by the admission of the msm in general and Chris Matthews] is in charge now. Not President Ragan or President Bush. Things are different now.
30 posted on 11/27/2010 8:53:33 AM PST by sport
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To: rotstan

Naw, they were tests.


31 posted on 11/27/2010 8:56:35 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: AdmSmith; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks sukhoi-30mki. Looks like some faux-pacifist agitprop. And here's the buried lead:
the official North Korean news agency declared that: "North Korea will wage second and even third rounds of attacks without any hesitation, if warmongers in South Korea make reckless military provocations again."

32 posted on 11/27/2010 9:01:08 AM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: rotstan
I guess Hiroshima and Nagasaki don’t fall into the category of nuclear war

They were merely the first 2 cities lit with nuclear power. Now all we get to do is joust at windmills.

33 posted on 11/27/2010 9:19:03 AM PST by bigheadfred (mind like a steel trap---rusted shut...)
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To: backwoods-engineer

In Korea


34 posted on 11/27/2010 9:36:31 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Americanism vs Communism)
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To: Bamanot
"One wonders if the US will even respond with force if one of our warships is attacked. "

You shoot at a US Carrier Battle Group at sea, rest assured they will shoot back...and bring hell with them.

I don't care WHO the POTUS is...

35 posted on 11/27/2010 9:59:35 AM PST by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Why don’t we just send Team America back in? They have experience in North Korea . . .

When all is said and done this is all about a certain NK leader singing “I’m so rone-ry”.


36 posted on 11/27/2010 11:33:27 AM PST by LRoggy (Peter's Son's Business)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Nuclear War is so yesterday.

With the results of the Super Collider and the Z-Machine coming in, we will just lift those cities into the Sky using the Higgs Boson forces of Anti Gravity.
37 posted on 11/27/2010 11:53:07 AM PST by Koracan
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To: rbg81

There will be no war. No one gains in a war like this—its just trying to get more money out of the USA for “Aid”. War is coming but the days of treaties and blundering alliances ended in 1939. The war will come between China and the US—that will not happen for years.


38 posted on 11/27/2010 12:10:06 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Tom Cain confuses brigades with divisions, thinks that the US has nuclear cruise missiles (we haven't had any since the first Bush administration), that current Chinese ICBMs have the range to him the continental US (not until the DF-31 and DF-41 are operational in the next decade), that Japan would not be involved in a Korean War (as if Okinawa would not be hit before Guam), .....
39 posted on 12/06/2010 2:10:02 AM PST by rmlew (You want change? Vote for the most conservative electable in your state or district.)
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