Posted on 11/26/2010 6:35:19 AM PST by SeekAndFind
RE: Well, he is - born on U.S. soil to legal immigrant parents. I’m sure you already knew that...where do people ge that he wasn’t? Do they just say that without looking it up?
Many people in FR argue that the original intent of the framers regarding the “natural born” clause means BOTH PARENTS MUST BE CITIZENS OF THE USA AT THE TIME OF THE PERSON’s BIRTH.
Jindal’s parents were not American Citizens at the time of his birth ( they are now of course ).
So, those who insist that we must follow the original intent of the constitution make a distinction between NATURAL BORN ( born from American Parents ) and NATIVE BORN ( born in the USA with one or both parents who are not American ).
Hence, by this argument, Obama should have been disqualified. Jindal too of course I( because he is simply NATIVE born, not NATURAL born ).
Feel free to argue against this distinction if you believe it isn’t right. I’d like to hear anyone else’s interpretation of the “natural born” clause.
If that’s so talk to the Indian community in La who supported him to the point of going in debt...not now, they are embarrassed by him. They see him now as self-centered and only interested in himself. Another waste of someone with tremendous potential.
One of the best Presidents in the past ( at least by my lights) had the charisma of a clam too -— CALVIN COOLIDGE.
They called him Silent Cal because he hardly spoke.
Yet, silent waters run deep, when he really spoke, you knew that he had SUBSTANCE.
A possibly apocryphal story has it that Dorothy Parker, seated next to him at a dinner, said to him, “Mr. Coolidge, I’ve made a bet against a fellow who said it was impossible to get more than two words out of you.” His famous reply: “You lose.”
It was also Parker who, upon learning that Coolidge had died, reportedly remarked, “How can they tell?”
Alice Roosevelt Longworth supposedly once commented that, “He looks as if he’d been weaned on a pickle.”
Coolidge often seemed uncomfortable among fashionable Washington society; when asked why he continued to attend so many of their dinner parties, he replied, “Got to eat somewhere.”
Just the ones that have read the actual law, which clearly states what determines a Natural Born Citizen. The same applies to Obama, no matter where he was born, he did not meet the statutory requirement. But heck, with Dims the law is just something they have to manipulate to their purpose.
Disgusting.
I see no distinction between the word “native” and the term “natural born.” It was well understood at the time of the adoption of the constitution that “natural born” had to do with place of birth, not blood line or lineage. That term came from the English common law, which held that those who were immigrants but whose children were born in the realm were considered natural born subjects of the Crown. There is nothing to support the “original intent” of the Founders was anything other than the understood meaning of the term “natural born” at the time they wrote it as defined under English common law. This new “original intent” argument appears to be something wholly made up to attack Jindal grossly unfairly, and clearly has no basis in the plain text of the U.S. Constitution. Those who promote it show their hypocrisy - they believe in a “living constitution” they can change and manipulate to fit their own purposes at any given time.
I guess you don't remember all the pictures of Rudy dressed in drag, those would surely have been used by Hillary.
Instead of flinging about epithets, try and come up with some documentation and facts if you’re gonna get into the middle of this.
Not true, he had already accepted the nomination at the convention, he won it fair and square, the only fight was the VP debate, he was going to take Ford, but Ford wanted to be a C0-President so Reagan was persuaded to select GHWB, one of his bigger mistakes.
In the Beck interview, Jindal said the President threatened him not to criticize the potus response on TV, why did we just hear about that last week?
Unlike you, they have actually fead the statutes. Of course if you look at the current dispute in Alaska, I guess statutes don't matter. All you need is the right judge.
I don't know all the details, but on its face that doesn't look like fiscal reponsibility to me....
Quite a riddle, isn't it? The answer is the author's numbers are completely fiction.
Budget by year:
2006-2007: $26.7B
2007-2008: $29.8B
2008-2009: $29.7B
2009-2010: $29.0B
2010-2011: $25.5B
http://doa.louisiana.gov/OPB/state-budget.htm
Now, obviously Louisiana's budget has been impacted by federal aid after the hurricane and oil spill.
In terms of state revenue, it has changed from $14.0B in 2007-08 to $14.0B in 2010-11. The balance of the budget is funded by federal appropriations.
If "Native" meant "Natural," IMHO, the founders would have said so.
.... those who were immigrants but whose children were born in the realm ....
By that logic: Note that Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. was not an immigrant. He was a visitor. His children would be citizens of his country, as BHO, Jr. freely admits in Ayers' biography of him, when he tells us he was a "dual citizen."
The concept of dual citizenship aside, upon reaching his majority, BHO, Jr. could have chosen British, or Kenyan Citizenship. If he were indeed born in Hawaii to an American mother, he could choose to be naturalized as an American citizen.
A Natural Born Citizen could have no such option.
I wasn’t debating the point as to whether Obama’s status was that of being born to a visitor or an immigrant. You completely ignored what I actually said and responded to something I didn’t say at all. Why do you do that?
Please stop interjecting unpleasant facts into hagiographic threads.
If a light-in-the-loafers guy from Kenya whose father was a commie bigamist with foreign citizenship can serve as POTUS, why not green-eyeshade, pocket-protector man? O you know, the squeaky voiced dude with '0' public speaking skills?
Waddayou, some kinda constitutionalist?
Like your "friend" who wrote the article and claimed Jindal doubled the size of the Louisiana budget, and yet attacked him for cutting spending?
It's clear you people are just out to lynch the guy.
Why don't you come out and denounce your friend as the lying scumbag he is, and then begin to establish a tiny bit of credibility?
Team Obama's millions have not been misspent. You are wrong on both counts.
in case (A) the parents and children would clearly be Naturalized Citizens, unless the child were born after they were naturalized.
(B) The granting of birthright citizenship to ALL children born here is not law at all. It is a stupid custom and should be ended, as it could be by executive order. NO such right exists, unless one is reading the 14th Amendment through left-leaning rose-colored glasses after a tab of LSD.
Birthright citizenship is an Urban Myth, albeit with a huge following. The mob is simply wrong.
Because he has the facts on his side. Look back up at post #86. The STATE COMPONENT (that part that we who live and work in Louisiana pay for, as opposed to federal money - medicaire, etc) of Louisiana’s budget shows that Jindal’s spending since he’s been in office is greater than the last year of Blanco’s.
And the state employee raises and payroll increase is all documented.
And another damn thing. Don’t be flinging around the term “lynching” when it comes to putting out facts about a politician’s record.
You ain’t been a FReeper long enough to be doing that.
Prove it.
You're claiming Jindal took the La. budget from $12B to $24B. This has been repeatedly debunked on this thread and you're refusing to denounce this preposterous lie.
Prove it or get the heck out of here.
Don’t be flinging around the term “lynching” when it comes to putting out facts about a politician’s record.
You and your buddy are putting out blatant lies and engaging in a coordinated attack on a conservative. Yeah, that's a lynching.
Start out by denouncing your "friend" and then we'll see.
If this colorless actuary, who by most accounts has served LA well, were a Natural Born citizen, and went on to win the primaries as the Republican Candidate, why of course I would vote for the hopeless little nerd myself!
Perhaps over the next two years, some clever legal beagle will get this through the Federal District Court of DC and on up to appeal by the SCOTUS. Perhaps also, a brave and bold Republican Governor (Jindal? DMML) will keep Obamma off his state's ballot, so the SCOTUS will have to rule!
Gosh, perhaps my old-fashioned view of the Constitution would not be upheld!
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