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To: Windflier
Excuse me??? Show me two national polls that have her at the top of the GOP presidential hopefuls. Quite the contrary, most of the head-to-head polls I've seen (I don't believe 'em, but I've seen 'em) show her doing poorly if not the worst of all the big candidates against Obama.

But you can see by the responses what happens on FR when you insinuate that St. Sarah isn't the perfect candidate. She can do no wrong. On the other hand, you can also see that everyone dismisses Mitt, even though I bet if you go ask 10 people on the street whom they'd prefer, they'd say Mitt. I think they're wrong, and that's not the point. The point is that here on FR, people have blinders on about Mitt and underestimate his appeal while overestimating Palin's appeal to non-ideologues.

131 posted on 11/25/2010 2:25:37 PM PST by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: LS
The point is that here on FR, people have blinders on about Mitt and underestimate his appeal while overestimating Palin's appeal to non-ideologues.

So, that's why Mitt beat McCain in the 2008 primaries and the libs have been doing their damnedest to destroy him, right?

139 posted on 11/25/2010 2:41:46 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: LS
Show me two national polls that have her at the top of the GOP presidential hopefuls. Quite the contrary, most of the head-to-head polls I've seen (I don't believe 'em, but I've seen 'em) show her doing poorly if not the worst of all the big candidates against Obama.

I've seen national polls showing that Sarah Palin is the favorite, but my search skills aren't all that honed, so I can't quickly produce them for you. However, after some searching on FR and some Palin-related sites, I found the following, which support my contention that she's the leader for the nomination:

Palin’s Search Traffic 6x Greater than Top 4 2012 Hopefuls Combined
http://us4palin.com/palins-search-traffic-6x-greater-than-top-4-2012-hopefuls-combined/comment-page-1/

Ms. Palin’s search traffic, since the start of 2010, is roughly 16 times that of Mitt Romney, 14 times that of Newt Gingrich, 38 times that of Mike Huckabee, and 87 times that of Mr. Pawlenty. (It is about six times greater than these other four candidates combined.)

Ms. Palin, in fact, draws almost as much search traffic worldwide as the man she would face if she wins the Republican nomination: Barack Obama. And her name is searched for about 30 percent more often than the President’s among Google users in the United States.

RASMUSSEN'S POLL: 52% of Voters Say Their Views Are More Like Palin’s Than Obama’s

Whose views are closer to your own? Palin/Obama

Overall: 52/40

Male: 55/37
Female: 48/43
White: 58/35
Black: 5/87
GOP: 84/9
DEM: 14/81
INDY: 59/27
Conservative: 80/12
Moderate: 28/61
Liberal: 14/85

Confirmation of Rasmussen poll on Sarah Palin's F/UF released one month ago
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2611514/posts

…today in a poll of 1501 ADULTS, including 846 LIKELY VOTERS by AP-GfK Sarah Palin's F/UF were found to be 49/50. (Obama's F/UF 52/48).

Poll: Nation’s Top Conservative Bloggers Choose Sarah Palin As Favorite For 2012
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2606359/posts

1 posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 7:24:56 PM by curth

Right Wing News, one of the top Conservative websites recently invited the nation’s top Conservative bloggers to participate in a straw poll asking who they would likely support in 2012.

Seventy-two bloggers responded and are listed below in alphabetical order:

101 Dead Armadillos, Ace of Spades HQ, Alexa Shrugged, All That Is Necessary, The American Princess, And Rightly So, The Anchoress, Argghhhh!, Bad Example, Basil’s Blog, Blonde Sagacity, Betsy’s Page, Black and Right, Bookworm Room, Classical Values, Conservative Compendium, Melissa Clouthier, Dodgeblogium, Doubleplusundead, Ed Driscoll, Drumwaster’s Rants, Eckernet, The EM Network, Election Projection, Exurban League, Eternity Road, Cassy Fiano, GayPatriot, GOPUSA Northeast, Guardian Watchblog, Hoosier Access, Infidels Are Cool, IMAO, The Jawa Report, Jenn Q. Public, The Liberal Heretics, Liberty’s Heart, Likelihood of Confusion, Fingers Malloy, Mean Ol’ Meany , Moe Lane, Mount Virtus, Midnight Blue, Moonbattery, No Oil For Pacifists, The New Ledger, Nice Deb, The Other McCain, Palousitics, Pundit Boy, Pursuing Holiness.com, QandO, Rightosphere, Right View from the Left Coast, Samizdata, Say Anything, Don Singleton, Sister Toldjah, The Smallest Minority, Snark and Boobs, Solomonia, Stop The ACLU, The Sundries Shack, Sunshine State Sarah, This Ain’t Hell, The Underground Conservative, Weapons of Mass Discussion, Viral Footage, Wintery knight, YidwithLid, WyBlog

Several questions were asked of respondents:

If you had to choose from this list, which of the following candidates would you be most likely to support for President in 2012?

The results:

1) Sarah Palin: 30.6% (22 votes)

2) Mitch Daniels: 18.1% (13 votes)

3) Mike Pence: 15.3% (11 votes)

4) Haley Barbour: 11.1% (8 votes)

5) Tim Pawlenty: 8.3% (6 votes)

6) Mitt Romney: 6.9% (5 votes)

7) John Thune: 5.6% (4 votes)

8 ) Newt Gingrich: 4.2% (3 votes)

9) Mike Huckabee: 0.0% (0 votes)

Frankly I don’t get the Mitch Daniels thing. He’s about as establishment, and squishy as they come. Daniels recently said we should, for the lack of a better word ….surrender …. on social issues, so we can concentrate on the fiscal. That’s all well and good, for a squish, but in most cases, social issues directly effect fiscal stability. They are intertwined.

It’s interesting to note the usual suspects: Romney, Gingrich, and especially Huckabee find little or no love among Conservatives.

Another question asked was this:

Now, let’s change direction: which of the following candidates would you be LEAST LIKELY to support for President in 2012?

The results:

1) Mike Huckabee: 44.4% (32 votes)

2) Mitt Romney: 20.8% (15 votes)

3) Newt Gingrich: 19.4% (14 votes)

4) Sarah Palin: 9.7% (7 votes)

5) John Thune: 2.8% (2 votes)

5) Haley Barbour: 2.8% (2 votes)

7) Mike Pence: 0.0% (0 votes)

7) Tim Pawlenty: 0.0% (0 votes)

7) Mitch Daniels: 0.0% (0 votes)

This one kinda speaks for it self. Again, the usual suspects, the establishment elites the GOP will be pushing come 2012, get no love.

We can tell you that a run by Huckabee or Romney will be met with great resistance throughout the blogosphere. To put it as nicely as possible, both are phonies, and both had horrendous records during their time as Governors.

Romney will have an especially rough go of it, because his RomneyCare in Massachusetts, was the blue print for ObamaCare, and is serving as the canary in the coal mine for what the entire nation is about to endure with Obama’s great boondoggle.

Obviously this poll isn’t a great predictor of what will happen in 2012, but it shows where Conservative opinion makers stand. How they are reading the Tea leaves, so to speak.

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Finally, a very good take on the 2012 race and Sarah Palin’s chances, by Brices Crossroads:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2628831/posts?page=197#197

Can Palin win? Of course.

See the following post:

Worse than it seems (2012 census favors GOP nominee)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2622707/posts

For those who doubt Palin can win the 2012 Presidential elections, the census is about to change the landscape. and the change is going to massively benefit the GOP nominee, which will in all likelihood be Palin.

Take the States McCain won and add just six more (in each of which Obama’s numbers are in the toilet) and in each of which the GOP will have sitting governors: Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Indiana, Virginia and Nevada. The GOP cleaned up, as did her endorsees, in all six states with the partial exception of Nevada where Harry Reid won narrowly but where the Dems lost the governorship badly.

That is 271 electoral votes and with them, Palin is President.

To the PDSers and the “Palin is unelectable” crowd, read ‘em and weep. At this point Palin has a clearer, less obstructed, path to the White House than Ronald Reagan had at this point in 1978.

197 posted on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 6:30:13 PM by Brices Crossroads

157 posted on 11/25/2010 7:59:14 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: LS

“people have blinders on about Mitt and underestimate his appeal while overestimating Palin’s appeal to non-ideologues.”

1. I don’t think so. I think that many here correctly understand that a failure to deny Comrade Romney the nomination and get Governor Palin elected would be disastrous. The effort must be made, even if the odds look slim (Which they don’t, to me).

2. What are an idealogue and a non-idealogue? Does that mean something other than “person of principle” and “person who will get in bed with Evil, perhaps out of ignorance, perhaps out of weakness, or perhaps because corrupt”?


168 posted on 11/26/2010 2:20:37 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: LS; Windflier; curth

“I bet if you go ask 10 people on the street whom they’d prefer, they’d say Mitt.”

Sure they would /sarc/ and if you tell them a little about Mitt (like RomneyCare), then nine out of those tem will say no.

You know as well as I do that, even without the knowledge of Romney’s odious record in Massachusetts, he is still behind Palin . (and those head to head national polls mean nothing now.) Bob Dole was ahead of Clinton 50-45 in early 1996 and lost quite badly.

Romney is a sure loser. Palin is a sure winner. Look at the electoral college. And realize this election will be about turnout. it is not about reaching for the middle. That kind of logic produced losers like Ford, Bush and Dole. The reverse of that logic gave us landislides in 1980, 1984 and 1988.

The GOP has not had a landslide since Regan’s third term. The Dems have had three (1992, 1996 and 2008). Your “nominate the mushy moderate strategy” is empirically flawed. We are not going to follow it this time.


178 posted on 11/26/2010 7:14:26 AM PST by Brices Crossroads
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