Posted on 11/21/2010 11:31:21 PM PST by TigersEye
Sliding silently under the mud, muck and fog of national politics, is a current event that makes Bill Clinton’s excursion into the world of elderly sex look tame in comparison. This time the nation’s national security is truly threatened in my opinion, and it involves not only a weak president with limited problem-solving ability, but leadership at the highest levels in the Pentagon as well. The American people would do well to demand a full investigation by an unbiased group, and let the chips fall where they may.
I am referring to the “missile shot” taken off the California coast recently, and the lame response by NORAD, the Pentagon and the White House itself.
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In my opinion, there is absolutely no doubt that what was captured on video off the coast of California was a missile launch, was clearly observed by NORAD, assessed by a four-star general within minutes, and passed to the president immediately. That is the way the system works, and heads fall if there is a failure. This is one of the most important tenets of national defense and its sole purpose of protecting the American people. Even the smallest failure in this system gets intense scrutiny at the highest level.
Now, the question that still must be answered is why NORAD’s muted response was simply that North America was not threatened, and later our government approved the lame excuse that the picture recorded was simply an aircraft leaving a contrail. This decision was made far above the four-star level, and because the system in place demands it, was made by the president himself.
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I think you may be correct about the aircraft type, but will go back and look. I think we won't get a rock solid identification, though...the image isn't good enough. However, the truly, truly awesome aviation expert Hardraade says it was going backwards, and therefore cannot be a fixed wing aircraft. He says it was a USN Chinook with a dipping sonar, off to chase the ChiCom sub.
So, you guys should get your stories straight. Otherwise,someone might think one of you is a planeloader mole. Maybe you, hairyape, because you don't have sufficeint devotion to the ASW Chinook theory. ;-)
No. Helicopter. Two rotors. Helos move a bit differently, you know. Go look at the craft moving into the frame. And of course an ad-hoc emergenct .mil thing would not be mentioned on any flight monitor site.
I’m not going to discuss this any further with what is pretty clearly plants with an agenda. Have at it, folks ;).
FReepMail for you...
Absolutely, one can ONLY be 100 % certain it was a vertical plume: the shaded side away from the setting sun is FACING EAST. On a contrail, the shaded side away from the setting sun is facing UP, where no human can see it unless they are in an aircraft ABOVE the contrail looking down.
The lighting in Leyvas' video proves with CERTAINTY a vertical launch and a north-west arcing trajectory. One hundred percent.
This is truth. Plain truth.
I’m easy.
You convinced me long ago. LOL.
Fascinating topic sociologically and psychologically.
You’ve done great work.
Thanks tons.
I did not convince you of anything. Your brain computed truth. Everyone who looked at this video and immediately saw a missile launch, were computing all that same information with regard to light angles, etc., subconsciously, intuitively. Our subconcious powers are mighty and it is idiotic to ignore or work against them.
Outsiders of Free Republic who are working diligently, cleverly, and with practiced deliberate skill to deceive many good FReepers, are hoaxers. They are HOAXERS trying to portray the Leyvas shot as a horizontal contrail, and they're counting on the trait of human nature to disregard the subconscious' wisdom, and appeal to the illusion of controled "smarts" that the conscious mind presents. Some people are literally being persuaded that UP is EAST. Or rather, they are allowing themselves to be persuaded of a physical impossibility.
If I convinced you of anything, it was to trust in your own smarts and abilities. After all these years of observing you and learning from you so many good principles of how to behave civilly on threads, resist engaging in ire, and how to love in a Christian way, I am honored to get to return a "favor" for once!
THANKS FOR BEING SUCH AN ABIDING ENCOURAGING TREASURE IN MY LIFE.
Am humbled to think that GOD would use any of my flawed anythings to teach you so much as the time of day . . . much less so spiritual meat you were so kind to go on about.
Bless you tons for your encouragement.
And may all your Thanksgiving conversations be as intimate, warm, fruitful and joyous and redemptive as you could dream of.
So based on what you're saying, I shouldn't be able to find a picture of a contrail taken during sunset that has shading. And if I do, it must be a vertical column. Or am I not reading you right. Similarly, clouds pictured during a sunset with a shaded side must be vertical columns. Right? Because with respect to sunlight etc, there really is no difference between a cloud, a contrail or a trail of exhaust.
Maybe Contrail Science should get their story straight. They claim Cessna. And they even use their photoshop tricky to try to prove that. Personally am still investigating the issue, since it is very difficult to see from that image. It was either that E120 or something that was not giving out a transponder code that the Bob Hope Flight Monitor could see. Nothing else shows up. No Cessna close.
That's all you need to know to answer your own questions. It is not opinion, it is not interpretation, it is material reality.
Unless it is taken from another airplane at similar or higher altitude.
Image of contrail must be taken from a camera no higher then the max altitude for that helicopter during filming. Must be during sunset. The other caveat is the plane contrail cannot reach horizon exactly where the sun has set. Almost the entire suns disk must be below horizon. The airplane contrail you are filming must be above 30,000 feet. Those are the same general conditions.
Physics is physics. Geometry is geometry. Cannot be denied. 100 % missile. That is all the proof you need.
You got it buddy. I did not want to do all that typing. Figured people would eventually figure it out in their own time and in their own way. Did a lot of research on light for one of my books. Also studied lighting in computer graphics and in biological mechanisms.
Where? Link please.
BTW, thanks for proving you have no sense of humor.
And what about this one?
And why then does this photo of an actual missile launch during a sunset not reflect what you say? For that matter, isn't it interesting that an actual missile launch looks nothing like the recent picture taken off the coast of California.
I have no idea what to what you are referring.
Pictures next to each other? Leyvas’ video?
Lol. You know something, Silver - you should go eat your gun if you own one. You are obviously scared sh*tless down in your wortless core, or you are one of these creatures that have such a compulsion to sell out your country for whatever enemy is behind the next door that it doesn't even matter which enemy.
This is moving in from the right going toward the launch point, and descending.
Yes, I know I said I'd be off. Got my eyesight back sooner than expeted. Eat your heart out, planeloaders ;P.
Sorry about that. See my post 248. I am too inept to figure out how to post photos on a post. *sigh*
Yikes! I meant, see my post #263!
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