Obama's TSA: Decliners Fined $11,000

Townhall.com ^ | 11.21.2010 | Kevin McCullough

[jodiluvshoes]

News reports on Saturday reporting that the TSA was announcing warnings to would-be travelers that any "would-be commercial airline passenger who enters an airport checkpoint but refuses to undergo the method of inspection as prescribed by the TSA workers on duty would not be allowed to fly, (but far more importantly)--would not be permitted to leave the airport."

But that wasn't all. The TSA also included in it's announcement for the first time the new fine of $11,000 and possible arrest for anyone who refused.

TSA worker Sari Koshetz was quoted in one report, "Once a person submits to the screening process, they can not just decide to leave that process."

[TCH]

I got a 76 year-old mother-in-law traveling here in February... See what happens if these jackasses grope her private parts.

Find out where these clowns live. They may be tough to molest little old ladies, women, babies and invalids on their little piece of airport terminal, but we’ll see how tough they are off the job-site.

Put several dozen of these jerks into intensive care, particularly their bosses, and we shall see just how committed they are to “making us safe.”

That’s the way to get these bastards... when they leave the job. I’ll bet there are more than a few guys in NY and NJ willing to break some bones.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Some things are better left unsaid.

[USNBandit]

The fine is for leaving a screening checkpoint without permission. The rationale is that they don't want somebody to be able to test checkpoints or even shop multiple screening areas at an airport to get past security. You can present yourself for screening and refuse a search, but at that point the TSA is going to hold you there until they conduct an investigation.

It is a civil penalty and I don't think many of them are really going to be handed out. The guy in San Diego was told he had to leave and then told he was could be fined by the same guy. That isn't going to stand up in court.

Personally, I think if you are going to go to the airport these days you need to have your decisions made before you get there. Refusing both screenings is a pretty painful and stupid option. If you won't submit to either then don't fly.

[TCH]

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SCARS training... The best offensive hand combat course I ever took. No screwing around... Forget about “defensive” techniques when fighting. Permanently disable or kill your adversary... Your choice, no regrets.

[NonValueAdded]

someone on an earlier thread posted some case law that said the opposite. This is going to get very ugly.

[Stymee]

That’s the point, bankrupt the airlines, then the government will own them... AmTrak of the sky! Tyranny...

[cookcounty]

Colorado Springs City Councilman Sean Paige beginning a push to drop TSA from COS airport.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/paige-108378-pursues-councilman.html

[madison10]

Passengers can complain here: USA Travel Office At least they'll know where to come and get you if you complain about their "enhanced security measures."

[supremedoctrine]

“Sounds like health care-—you will be charged for not using their service”.
That is really an EXCELLENT point.
Just let them try issuing that first $11K fine-—they have
NO idea what a nationwide rebellion that would create, ESPECIALLY if it’s levied on someone as ludicrous as an old lady, a priest, or someone with an artificial hip (or, as has already happened, a flight attendant who was REQUIRED to remove her prosthetic breast which she had due to breast cancer. These boobs have NO idea what they’re getting themselves into.

[supremedoctrine]

“Sounds like health care-—you will be charged for not using their service”.
That is really an EXCELLENT point.
Just let them try issuing that first $11K fine-—they have
NO idea what a nationwide rebellion that would create, ESPECIALLY if it’s levied on someone as ludicrous as an old lady, a priest, or someone with an artificial hip (or, as has already happened, a flight attendant who was REQUIRED to remove her prosthetic breast which she had due to breast cancer. These boobs have NO idea what they’re getting themselves into.

[supremedoctrine]

Jeez, my brain didn’t even process that accidental pun I put in the last sentence. But in a perverse and unintentional sense, it holds true for both the pro- and an- tagonist of this issue.

[diogenes ghost]

"No damned bureaucrat has constitutional power to write rules with the force of law, enforce the rules and punish under those rules."

They most certainly do.

Nearly EVERY regulatory agency has congressional authority to do so, upheld in many court decisions.

Congress passes a bill authorizing an agency, gives them an ephemeral job, then leaves it up to political appointees and career stooges to 'git er done'.

Congress then acts surprised when they hear from their constituents about the abuses.."oh really?, I had no idea, but it's not in my hands...see the agency involved...or get a lawyer....not my job."

[Fred Hayek]

Got a TSA employee as a neighbor? Shun them. Do not even say good morning to them. Do the same to their families. Treat them like fecal matter. They are the enemy.

[Eagle Eye]

So who wants to volunteer to be the test case for this?

I’m sure that we can rally for all legal fees, etc.

Volunteers? Anyone?

[muawiyah]

Much too obvious. You'd be ahead simply tossing their dog poisoned hamburger. Then join them in grief.

We had that happen to an exceptionally obnoxious IRS agent in the neighborhood. He worked in "collections" (by seizing property).

When he finally moved the stench of strychnine and other poisonous substances coming from his fenced in yard was incredible.

His stupid dog had become incredibly obese and had enough body fat to buffer virtually all the poison ~ much to the distress of many neighbors.

[Ezekiel]

What has happened to this country in such a short time?

Acceleration due to gravity (free fall).

[seowulf]

The rationale is that they don't want somebody to be able to test checkpoints or even shop multiple screening areas at an airport to get past security. You can present yourself for screening and refuse a search, but at that point the TSA is going to hold you there until they conduct an investigation.

I agree that's the rationale, I just don't know if it is lawful.

You cannot be detained/arrested for a civil violation. You can only be detained for probable cause of a criminal violation. If deciding that you need to go to the restroom because you have a sudden bout of diarrhea after entering a checkpoint is probable cause, then I suppose just about anything can be probable cause and the law means nothing.

Welcome to the police state.

[sergeantdave]

“Nearly EVERY regulatory agency has congressional authority to do so, upheld in many court decisions.”

Congress can no more give away its law-making power to unelected bureaucrats than obuma can give his war-making power to Bill Ayers. The fact that the courts have okayed this illegal act by congress proves that our kangaroo courts are as corrupt as congress. Neither one follows the Constitution or rule of law.

The Founders knew well the abuse of unelected English functionairies writing law and wrote of that abuse in our Declaration of Independence.

It’s another problem that needs correcting. Congress needs to take back its law-making power from the fascist bureaucrats and start impeaching the Marxists in black robes.

[John S Mosby]

Excellent, thought it might be something like that. SCARS is something I’ve heard of through some buddies ex spec ops.

Also for firearms, Massad Ayoub’s book “Armed and Alive” and “The Truth About Self Protection”
are very useful. He runs the Lethal Force Institute.

[wintertime]

Places where your constitutional rights do not apply:
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Also....Our collectivist K-12 schools ( AKA “public” schools).

After 13 or more years of compulsory collectivist indoctrination why are we surprised the the nation's sheeple compliantly accept socialist compulsion?