Glenn Beck: They’re lying to us about the mystery contrail

Hot Air ^ | 11/19/2010 | Right Scoop

[JohnKinAK]

Glenn Beck said today that he has spoken to military experts about the mystery contrail from a few weeks ago and he says it’s definitely not a plane, but rather a two stage missile. He just wants to know where it came from, and he has a theory. Beck postulates that this missile was possibly from a Chinese sub off the coast of California, perhaps as a show of force to the world, but even more so to President Obama.

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[Niteflyr]

Underlining = HTML link...

I'm a web designer...perfectly aware of what hyperlinks look like...duh....I was talking about THIS

[Tommyjo]

Why do you think that I am covering for him? From day one I've called aircraft contrail on what I saw. When I saw the independent stills that just confirmed to me that many people, who were asked on-air for an assessment, were being fooled by perspective from an edited video. Remember there is still the mystery of what Gil Leyvas witnessed on the 4th November 2010? On the 8th November he called in on the two-way that he was witnessing the same thing again. Did he film it? Where is that footage?

The stills from Hermosa Beach and LAX webcam, along with Rick Warren's images prove that this object was not heading away from the US coast as Gil Leyvas described. On the 4th November UPS McDonnell Douglas MD-11 Flight 902 was also flying the same route and time. Was Gil Leyvas seeing another missile launch on the 4th November or was he fooled by the same MD-11 flight as the 8th? That fact is more than just a coincidence in my opinion.

The type of aircraft involved is also highly important in this case. Under certain conditions the tri-engined set up can produce a blended contrail. The tri-engined series has been confusing sky watchers for years.

Link to Two engines, three trails

[Rokke]

"If it is a horizontal path with the sun coming from below ... how come the underside of this supposedly horizontal high-elevation (five miles above the earth) contrail is dark?"

Haven't you stated repeatedly that nothing can be learned from video stills? Whatever. The contrail is dark because the sun is no longer shining directly on it (from above or below). Of course that wouldn't happen if it were an actual missile launch, because within 2 minutes of being launched, even the slowest ballistic missile would have climbed high enough that the recently set sun would shine directly on its plume, creating a nice white trail. Any experienced observer of actual missile launches is no doubt aware of that. I'd provide video and photographic evidence...but I already have. Repeatedly.

Now explain to me how a vertically climbing missile, with rocket motors still burning (as evidenced by the plume) shows no evidence of flame coming from the rocket motor? Would this "missile" be an example of a flameless but not smokeless engine?

And what about that chinook?

[Tommyjo]

You know exactly what I am talking about? You were the one claiming that there was no record of any other contrail in the sky. Study that image closely? It is not part of the large contrail that some believe was a ballistic missile.

Now study the Hermosa Beach image that shows that there were other contrails. That KCBS still is titled 'missile l' and it doesn't appear in any part of the video released.

I now realise that it is hard for you to comprehend so here it is in pictures and videos. Surely it can't be that hard to comprehend? This is further evidence that CBS released an edited video.

This capture from video footage does not appear in any video released. Why?

Link to video 1

Link to video 2

Hermosa Beach on the 8th November. What contrail do you think that it came from?

[Tommyjo]

Apologies if it wasn’t yourself that claimed fake. It has been implied by at least one of the missileers. Wasn’t it you that called foul on the LAX webcam image?

[TigersEye]

It is not part of the large contrail that some believe was a ballistic missile.

How do you know that? It looks like it is but is just older and windblown.

Now study the Hermosa Beach image that shows that there were other contrails.

What is "Hermosa Beach image?" You have failed to establish that. What is its source?

This capture from video footage does not appear in any video released. Why?

If it doesn't appear in any released video how do you know it is from one? From the looks of it, if it is from the Sky2 video, it wasn't aired because an old windblown contrail is pretty boring.

Hermosa Beach on the 8th November. What contrail do you think that it came from?

I have never seen that photo posted before. You expect me to have knowledge of things never put up for discussion before? LOL

[TigersEye]

Wasn’t it you that called foul on the LAX webcam image?

Not that I recall. I just pointed out that it is stamped PST (Pacific Standard Time) not PDST (Pacific Daylight Savings Time) to counter the bunkum that they hadn't changed the clocks for a week. As well as the pic being darker by just about the right amount to be an hour later ie 6:15 PM PST.

[Finny]

Yep. These guys keep flinging image after image after image, any ol' image they can find, it appears some of the time, to keep lurkers (as far as I'm concerned, that's who we're writing to now) from paying attention to the video that Gil Leyvas shot.

The contrailer folks have a double standard in that regard as well -- they reject the video and still shots from it on the grounds that it has been edited somehow to promote a fantastic optical illusion ...

... yet rebut solely with still shots of other things, some of which they claim (but cannot verify) are of the same event in the Leyvas video, and other things they claim are comparison examples of missile plumes or airplane contrails, but which -- because they are still shots, generally taken from a distance, are pretty much empty of value for the discussion at hand. They could easily throw a distant shot of a missile launch plume, claim it was an airline contrail, and the only way of judging what it really was would be by knowing the photo's genuine source -- and then if I or you ID it wrong, could chortle "Aha! We fooled you on that -- how 'expert' are you?" or vice versa; still shots taken from a far distance especially are PERFECTLY SUITED for that kind of deception.

But not videos. Hence their conspicuous absence on the airplane contrail side.

See, people who've seen missile launches at relatively close range know this. It's why the vast majoritiy of folks climbing on the contrail bandwagon have zero or limited eyewitness experience with missile launches. Sorry if it hurts their pride or "self esteem" to have it pointed out, but that's just the way it is. Hey, I'd be just as gullible if the subject of illusion was a tornado or a harsh winter. I know as much about those two things as a lot of these midwesterners buying the contrail cover story know about differentiating missile launches from airline contrails.

[Tommyjo]

Have you not been following the various threads on this event? I posted the links and source of these images back on the 24th. The image has subsequently been used on other threads

The thread title I originally posted on was

RAW VIDEO: Mysterious Contrail Off Calif. (Another "CBS-Gate"?)

The image is labelled 'missile launch1'. It is in sequence although they chose not to release that portion of the video. Look at the Hermosa Beach image. Study the contrails? Remember you are the one claiming that there were no other contrails in the Pacific region!

Sorry if the Hermosa Beach image is rather upsetting to you. It has been on Freepers for 4 day now! Yet more evidence that this 'object' wasn't heading out west away from the coast!

[TigersEye]

I said I had not seen it before. That is that. The "Hermosa Beach photo" isn't upsetting at all. It is unsourced and meaningless.

It is in sequence although they chose not to release that portion of the video.

If you haven't seen the portion of the video you claim it is from how do you know it is in sequence?

Remember you are the one claiming that there were no other contrails in the Pacific region!

No, I did not say that. I did say there are no other contrails in the "released" video or the sat pic that the NASA global warming/con-trail expert tossed into the mix.

It has been on Freepers for 4 day now!

I certainly haven't been following this stale story for the last four days.

Yet more evidence that this 'object' wasn't heading out west away from the coast!

It's not evidence of anything except that someone took a pic of some weathered contrails. The one on the left looks like it might be the weathered remnant of the missile contrail.

[Tommyjo]

What are you on about not changed for a week? Was the LAX webcam displaying the incorrect time for a week after the event on the 8th? My interpretation of it is that the clocks
are reset on the Sunday. Is it the first Sunday in November (7th).

[Rokke]

"to keep lurkers (as far as I'm concerned, that's who we're writing to now)"

You really think anyone reads these threads but the few people engaged in them? I don't. This issue died weeks ago to 99.9% of the population who realized then what it was.

Your paragraph on the validity of still shots is more irony considering your last post was a discussion of a still shot. But the video won't save your arguments either. It is just harder to discuss in this format because you can't hit a pause button. But, using the link you provided previously to a copy of the video that meets your standards, I'll use time cues to reference specific points on the video. Your link...Leyvas Video

1. 8 seconds in. Same question as I asked about the still you posted. Where is the flame from the motor?

2. 11 seconds in. Oh wait a minute. New view and what do you know...a bright light on the object. Is that flame or a reflection? If it's flame, why isn't it always there? A flame would be. A reflection can be blocked by clouds between the sun and the object making the contrail.

3. 14 seconds...new view...no flame again. And little to no relative motion. What's going on?

4.18 seconds in...wait a minute...that's the same scene as 11 seconds in. Or the object hasn't moved with respect to the clouds. Which is it?

5. 27 seconds...there's what I think your calling a chinook. You never have explained what it's doing. Here's your chance. I'm ready for just about anything.

6. 40 seconds...the reflection is back. Magically, it is exactly the same color as the clouds near it. Not the white light so commonly viewed in actual missile launches. And notice the rapid movement of what you describe as a vertically climbing missile? Or not...because it doesn't appear to be moving at all. Unlike any real missile at this point which would be moving at several times the speed of sound.

And that's it. Nothing but questions related to the only evidence you'll accept. The celebrated Leyvas video. Prove your analytical skill to all the "lurkers" out there. I'm ready.

[TigersEye]

What are you on about not changed for a week? Was the LAX webcam displaying the incorrect time for a week after the event on the 8th?

Some con-trailer claimed the time changed the week before. I didn't question it. The fact is the pic is stamped PST with a time of 6:15 which accords with the lighting. It makes sense that a webcam clock that is operated by a computer program would have automatically adjusted its time more than 24 hours earlier like most computers do. It's a meaningless pic so who cares?

[Sto Zvirat]

And the missile crowd keeps flinging....well, nothing that would constitute any evidence. Still, not a single bit of hard evidence that it was a missile. Why would that be?

LOL

[TXnMA]

Everybody’s a critic... ;-)

[Tommyjo]

Contact the source then? Link at bottom of post. Perhaps the photographer was on the beach when this honking great ballistic missile shot up and accelerated in this time frame? How was it able to stage and accelerate without producing a continuous trail or plume visible?

Watch the initial stage time frame of this Minuteman III simulation from Northrop Grumman.

Link to video

As has already been pointed out several times how the hell was Rick Warren able to keep this missile travelling at those speeds in frame for that length of time?

Let's go with Finny's theory that something hit it? It has been done to death over on the conspiracy nut sites. Here is some analysis for you from one still. It's OK Finny the government will have the rest of the tape secured. You can sleep soundly! :)

Link to d40newb photostream for Hermosa Beach image

[TigersEye]

I think I’ll stick with the theory that you’re full of crap and a jerk. ;-)

[TigersEye]

Somebody’s flickr account with no attributions at all? That’s your “source?” LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Tommyjo]

It appears that everything is ‘meaningless’ to you?. You must continue. Keep the faith! Finny has stated that it is important for the ‘Lurkers’!

[TigersEye]

Not everything is meaningless. But a pic taken an hour later than the event we’re talking about with no idea what compass point it is pointing to is meaningless. Much like the drivel you keep posting.