Experts: Mystery contrail was from Chinese missile

WND ^ | November 20, 2010 | Joseph Farah

[editor-surveyor]

Although the U.S. Defense Department and North American Aerospace Defense Command have speculated publicly that the unidentified contrail of a projectile soaring into the skies off the California coast – and recorded by a KCBS television crew – came from a jet and posed no security threat to the U.S., several experts are raising provocative and disturbing questions about the government's official response, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

Two governmental military experts with extensive experience working with missiles and computer security systems have examined the television video and conclude the mysterious contrail originating some 30 miles off the coast near Los Angeles did not come from a jet – but rather, they say the exhaust and the billowing plume emanated from a single source nozzle of a missile, probably made in China.

They further suggest the missile was fired from a submerged Chinese nuclear submarine off America's coast, and point out that the timing of the alleged Chinese missile shot coincided with an increasing confrontation between the U.S. and China, and was likely meant to send a message to Washington.

Indeed, the Federal Aviation Administration documents that there were no aircraft flying in the area at that time, the night of Nov. 8.

[editor-surveyor]

A clear headed analysis by competent authorities.

"Indeed, the Federal Aviation Administration documents that there were no aircraft flying in the area at that time, the night of Nov. 8."

[Peter from Rutland]

I don’t know, there was a flight during that time to hawaii and quite frankly anything from WND is suspect. That ads alone on that site scream wingnut.

I’ll wait for more evidence.

[EGPWS]

Mystery contrail was from Chinese missile

Is that all?

I was convinced it was Ala coming to chat with the POTUS.

[PhilDragoo]

Janet Napolitano's cordless device has been accounted for.

On to the CIA animation and a year's effort by the FBI's Kalstrom.

[Conservative Vermont Vet]

Ah, now why did you go and spoil it for all the Glenn Beck haters?

Just yesterday there were several who expressed their "Derangement Syndrome" against Beck for his having commented on practically the same thing: his having received information from some reliable sources which hold the same belief.

And no I'm not a Beck-ite (or whatever one would refer to a person who watches him constantly and agrees with everything he espouses) but let's face it you "supposed" conservatives, he HAS done MUCH to advance our cause, so how's about you save your hateful remarks for those on the Dark Side, i.e. Demo-Rats, Libs, Progs and Commies....all one-in-the-same!

[editor-surveyor]

The certified Wingnuts are convinced that “WND is suspect.”

Please support the Ostritch Syndrome Association; someday there’ll be a cure!
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[edh]

I don’t know much about contrails or missile launches, but why would the Chinese compromise a first strike weapon as a show of force? Once that “missile” went live, we could have collected a lot of intelligence about the launch vehicle, platform, etc. It almost seems frivolous. It really doesn’t seem like their style. Would you really want to give an enemy that much information by showing off?

[Leo Carpathian]

If it was airliner, where is the match to flight number Ha?

[NonValueAdded]

The contrail examples (in ones showing motion, not the static photos that prove little) can’t be dismissed out of hand but, as I’ve posted earlier, if you had to commission a study of how the Chinese could “fire a shot across our bow” this SLBM scenario is almost certainly what a Tom Clancy would write.

[ErnBatavia]

If it was airliner, where is the match to flight number Ha?

It was out there the next day -- a Hono/Phoenix flight that passes Los Angeles daily at that time; another chopper shot an eerily similar video at the same time, the next day.

These whackjob threads are an embarrassment to FR.

[RansomOttawa]

Amazing what you can learn from a few seconds of out-of-focus video off the Internet.

How would they know it was Chinese? Did they hear a gong?

[OwenKellogg]

>How would they know it was Chinese?<

They were hungry an hour later.

[Christian Engineer Mass]

“Ala coming to chat with the POTUS”

in the name of a lie.

[slumber1]

How would they know it was Chinese? Did they hear a gong?

The theory is because the contrail was a dirty brown color it could not have been one of ours. Our missles burn cleaner than that and leave a white contrail ergo it must have been the Chinese.

[OldDeckHand]

World Net Daily reporting it? Well, then it has to be true.

I had the good fortune of being out of the country when this "event" happened. But, when I returned home to see what the conspiracy theorists were saying, one word came to mind. Ridiculous.

As a navy vet who has witnessed the launch of a cruise missile from a surface ship, and someone who has been a sailor my entire life, there is NO WAY that this was "launched" 30 miles from the most densely populated parts of this country with NO ONE on the ground or on the sea seeing a thing.

I don't think people realize how loud it is, nor how much of a spectacle a missile rising through the surface of the water, and quickly approaching supersonic speeds would be. Where's the sonic boom? The Chinese have successfully test-fired the slowest missile in the history of missiles?

That part of the California coast is heavily populated with recreational boaters, commercial ships and off-shore oil rigs, but not a single person has come forward to say they witnessed this "launch". It's preposterous.

When will sanity restore itself to the country?

[Revolutionary]

I was a fighter pilot and I am a "rocket scientist" (astronautical engineer). It was definitely (99.9%) a missile launch. The contrail starts below the horizon. When you are in the air (helicopter shot), the actual horizon is a little above the ground that you see. Horizontal wind shears distributing the plume. You don't get that effect at a constant altitude. You have to see the original footage or pictures as this has been photo shopped out of many news agency pictures. Not a twin engined jet contrail as portended. Single engine source. Wide plumage near the source. This a little more subjective, but solid rocket plumage near the source looks more like what was seen than aircraft frozen vapor trail plumage. Bright engine exhaust flame. At sunset it is unlikely to have such a bright reflection from the skin of an aircraft to a vantage that was further down sun to the East. I didn't see any footage, but heard that day from a military source that it did not come down fast like a missile. That makes me speculate that the missile was self destructed sometime after burnout. I don't think this was a shot across the bow. It would be way, way too provocative. Surfacing the sub would have sent the message "don't get too cosey with the Indians militarily, etc.". Most likely it was an accidental launch and the word got the right folks after several tense minutes. By the way, the listening network off both coasts was decommissioned several years ago after the end of the Cold War. It listened for "whales" for a while and then was shut down for money reasons.

[OldDeckHand]

"I was a fighter pilot and I am a "rocket scientist" (astronautical engineer)."

With all that fighter piloting and rocket designing experience, are you worried that the Chinese have developed the worlds first silent ICBM. I mean, if they can ignore that physical law, what else might be up their sleeves?

I hope they don't set their phasers to kill.

[mountainlion]

There was a NOTAM notice to airmen and there was a closure of the Naval area to during the launch.

[OldDeckHand]

"Most likely it was an accidental launch and the word got the right folks after several tense minutes"

An "accidental launch"? Wow, that's even better. Ignoring for a moment that it takes dozens of members of the crew to spin-up up a launch tube and its missile, how do you think one accidentally launches a missile, considering of course that the boat has to be at the precise depth to make a successful launch. I mean, you don't think that they were just motoring along, and someone "accidentally" pressed the red button, do you?

[Keith in Iowa]

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