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To: pgyanke; Non-Sequitur

forgot to include you in my response:
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The jails in this country are filled with illegal aliens who found out that they were indeed ‘subject to the jurisdiction’ of our federal or state governments.

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I tried that argument once, and got the response to the effect of “If you think illegal aliens are not subject to US jurisdiction, look at the US inmate population”.
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You are talking about a different set of facts: jurisdiction attained by the U.S./States as a result of illegal aliens committing crimes on on U.S. soil is not the same as conferring U.S. citizenship on babies born to illegal aliens on U.S. soil.

Again, I’d have to research it, but legal “jurisdiction” is not as clear cut a term as some may think.


48 posted on 11/18/2010 9:21:02 AM PST by Yooper4Life (They all lie.)
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To: Yooper4Life
You are talking about a different set of facts: jurisdiction attained by the U.S./States as a result of illegal aliens committing crimes on on U.S. soil is not the same as conferring U.S. citizenship on babies born to illegal aliens on U.S. soil.

Nobody is suggesting that it is. But 'subject to the jurisdiction' means subject to our laws and liable for penalties for breaking those laws. That exists regardless of national origin. I read the phrase 'subject to the jurisdiction of' in the 14th Amendment as meant to exclude diplomats, foreign heads of state, prisoners of war, and any other person not answerable to our laws.

80 posted on 11/18/2010 10:47:20 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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