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To: KoRn

“Allow pilots and concealed weapons permit holders to carry their handguns aboard flights, and there will be little worry of any terror indents. 911 wouldn’t have happened if this were the case.”

LOL. Gun on a plane is no better than bomb itself. Planes are made out of thin alu and pressured. If you want to learn an effect of a bullet on an airframe just puncture an inflated baloon.


24 posted on 11/18/2010 1:09:51 AM PST by cunning_fish
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To: cunning_fish

Actual tests with hand gun bullets don’t show any such effect on a pressurized cabin. The cabin would not even lose its pressure from a single hole because the pressurizers are already making up for much more leakage than that.

Fuselage ruptures do occur on occasion, but it’s the result of metal fatigue and corrosion, not catastrophic point events.


28 posted on 11/18/2010 1:16:10 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: cunning_fish
LOL. Gun on a plane is no better than bomb itself. Planes are made out of thin alu and pressured. If you want to learn an effect of a bullet on an airframe just puncture an inflated baloon.

You're pretty close, despite the hyperbole. I think that the passengers should be issued sheath knives (the Ka-Bar comes to mind), honed to a razor's edge, and then reminded that if anyone takes over the plane, they will probably end up dead.

I think everyone would be courteous and well behaved, or bleeding out in the aisles.

30 posted on 11/18/2010 1:25:35 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: cunning_fish
If you want to learn an effect of a bullet on an airframe just puncture an inflated baloon.

Okay, you got your education in physics through one of those emails offering you a college degree.

A bullet hole in a fuselage (or even many bullet holes) would have no tangible effect on cabin pressure or functionality of the bird.

34 posted on 11/18/2010 1:32:10 AM PST by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: cunning_fish; HiTech RedNeck
cunning_fish>>If you want to learn an effect of a bullet on an airframe just puncture an inflated baloon.

HiTech RedNeck >Actual tests with hand gun bullets don’t show any such effect on a pressurized cabin. The cabin would not even lose its pressure from a single hole because the pressurizers are already making up for much more leakage than that.

It seems that someone has taken over HiTech RedNeck's account recently because yet again he's right. ;-)

You can see some of the underwhelming tests on YouTube.

35 posted on 11/18/2010 1:35:05 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: cunning_fish
"Gun on a plane is no better than bomb itself. Planes are made out of thin alu and pressured. If you want to learn an effect of a bullet on an airframe just puncture an inflated baloon."

Modern airliners have systems that would minimize any effect a bullet would have on the hull, should one pass through it. So I've read anyway.

37 posted on 11/18/2010 1:37:47 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: cunning_fish

The punctured balloon threat is a COMPLETE myth.

An airliner holed by a bullet, or a rock, or a small meteorite or a small bird, whatever, WILL NOT ‘explode’/ peel open/ disintegrate/ spiral toward the ground/ or similar.

A [bullet] hole made in a pressurized aircraft in-flight will cause it to slowly depressurize, as opposed to what’s called ‘explosive decompression’ that occurs when a large hole is made — like when a cargo door opens up.

And yes, I am a pilot.

FWIW, FAMs (Federal Air Marshals) carry sidearms. Pilots used to. Firearms on a plane are no more a threat to the innocent than they are in any other crowded public space.

p.s. GOOGLE frangible bullets or frangible ammo


52 posted on 11/18/2010 2:48:04 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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