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To: TCH

I would just say you are doing exactly what the real enemies, the Democrats are hoping for. They have used the ‘divide and conquer’ strategy to divide the fiscal conservatives from the social conservatives. While the two are certainly not mutually exclusive, the libertarian, fiscally conservative movement is growing in numbers. By applying your social issues ‘litmus test’ to the ‘Tea Party’ you are doing the work of Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et al.

Social issues should be properly returned to states rights issues, not national issues. The way forward for the social conservatives is to get the Federal gov’t to return power to the states. If people can move to a state that offers them the social and fiscal environment that suits them, social conservatives and libertarian conservatives will both have a place where they feel welcome. To apply your rules, the chances of conservatism ever overtaking the liberalism that now dominates are slim and none.


8 posted on 11/15/2010 3:16:01 PM PST by milwguy
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To: milwguy
Social issues should be properly returned to states rights issues, not national issues

DADT is a National issue. I agree that everything else is State level.

31 posted on 11/15/2010 3:50:20 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.)
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To: milwguy

I don’t think the libs have a strategy so much as stating the obvious. Once you leave the basic message that resonates with the larger group, there will be infighting to no end. Look at what happens here. If anything I think you’ve understated the situation. My guess is there will be fractures over the next two years that will limit the effectiveness. On the naively optimistic side, some good will come of it. Up to Nov. 2 the focus was narrow and it seemed to me widespread with a focus on fiscal policy and limited government. Those days are behind us and various factions and factions within factions will be pulling in different directions. Keep is simple s... would be my suggestion.


33 posted on 11/15/2010 3:53:27 PM PST by Bogeygolfer
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65 posted on 11/15/2010 4:45:12 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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66 posted on 11/15/2010 4:45:29 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: milwguy

Until all power reserved for the states is given back, social issues must be fought on the national level.


80 posted on 11/15/2010 5:06:58 PM PST by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point.CSLewis)
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To: milwguy
I would just say you are doing exactly what the real enemies, the Democrats are hoping for. They have used the ‘divide and conquer’ strategy to divide the fiscal conservatives from the social conservatives. While the two are certainly not mutually exclusive, the libertarian, fiscally conservative movement is growing in numbers. By applying your social issues ‘litmus test’ to the ‘Tea Party’ you are doing the work of Obama, Pelosi, Reid, et al.

Agree. TEA stands for "Taxed Enough Already", if I'm not mistaken. It does not imply advocacy of various social issues at all.

Want to destroy the movement? Start mixing in all these gonadal politics, and the TEA party movement will be successfully marginalized as its "tent" shrinks more and more because of unnecessary stridency and inclusion of non-fiscal issues.

I have conservative social opinions, but I am willing to put the fiscal issues first in an effort to create as much consensus as possible.

IMHO, social conservatives should create a similar movement if they want, but should not try to steer TEA partiers away from their primary focus, that of fiscal conservatism, limited government, etc.

81 posted on 11/15/2010 5:10:18 PM PST by sargon (I don't like the sound of these "boncentration bamps")
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To: milwguy

>>Social issues should be properly returned to states rights issues, not national issues.

Bingo. That’s the real issue right there.


128 posted on 11/15/2010 7:21:44 PM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: milwguy

That’s very true, well said.

Wanna borrow my flame suit?


330 posted on 11/16/2010 8:18:22 PM PST by RockinRight (if the choice is between Crazy and Commie, I choose Crazy.)
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To: milwguy

You do realize your post #8 is internally inconsistent, don’t you?

Read it over carefully and see if you can see the inconsistency.


351 posted on 11/17/2010 7:14:07 AM PST by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: milwguy
I would just say you are doing exactly what the real enemies, the Democrats are hoping for. They have used the ‘divide and conquer’ strategy to divide the fiscal conservatives from the social conservatives.

So taking a moral stand is giving the RATS what they want?

It sounds like the Fiscal (only) Conservatives are just like the RATS and want the Social Conservatives to compromise their values (again). Why don't they compromise instead like they did for Reagan? I say it's their turn.

382 posted on 11/27/2010 7:14:06 AM PST by SteamShovel (UTOPIA...Isn't)
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