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To: wagglebee; stephenjohnbanker

I guess I wasn’t clear. I am in no way saying get rid of all moral laws.

But the purpose of the laws you site is to define the punishment allowed. A law cannot be passed to end any activity. The law does not in the strictest sense ban say murder or prostitution it just lays out what the penalties are for breaking the law. If the penalties are not severe enough plus the chance of getting caught are too low you will not reduce the problem you are trying to solve.

Morality in my mind’s eye is doing the right thing when no one is watching. If a person is a real racist no law will change that. If a robber feels that he needs a gun he will get one no matter the law. That doesn’t mean not have laws it means we have more work to do.
To change morality you do it by teaching that these things are wrong. Having kids to get more government welfare is legal but wrong. Lying to get disability is both illegal and wrong but it doesn’t stop it. If in both those cases those people were shunned by society it would be more effective than tougher laws.

The liberals have been teaching for years these things are alright. Your just giving it to the “man”. No one is hurt. It becomes accepted by society that is what has to change.

I am getting too heavy even for me so I’ll end by saying no law will change thinking.


287 posted on 11/16/2010 12:42:57 PM PST by shoff (Cuomo is going to change the NY state motto from Excelsior to elixir (cause we bought it))
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To: shoff

You’re right about that.

Laws can influence behavior in SOME people, but the best they do is establish penalties for breaking them and give the government teeth for when it needs it.

Moral people will make a moral society, but the government doesn’t need to hasten the decline by allowing immoral behavior to go unaddressed or unpunished, or to legalize it, as in abortion.


290 posted on 11/16/2010 12:51:22 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: shoff; metmom; little jeremiah; xzins; P-Marlowe; trisham; Darkwolf377; Responsibility2nd; ...
To change morality you do it by teaching that these things are wrong. Having kids to get more government welfare is legal but wrong. Lying to get disability is both illegal and wrong but it doesn’t stop it. If in both those cases those people were shunned by society it would be more effective than tougher laws.

You sound just like the Whigs on slavery.

You can sing "Kumbaya" or shut your eyes or do whatever else it is that the libertarian utopianists have told you will work, but the FACT is that a baby is being murdered EVERY 24 SECONDS in the United States. I am no longer interested in any solution that is conditioned on the hope that people change minds.

292 posted on 11/16/2010 12:53:55 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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