Posted on 11/14/2010 12:30:00 PM PST by rabscuttle385
WASHINGTON, Nov. 14 (UPI) -- Sen. John McCain said Sunday he opposes an immediate move to lift the U.S. military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
Asked on NBC's "Meet the Press" whether he would block a vote in the lame-duck Congress on repealing the ban on gays and lesbians serving openly, McCain, R-Ariz., said, "I want a thorough and complete study of the effect on morale and battle effectiveness."
"Once we get this study," he said, "we need to have hearings and we need to examine it and we need to look at whether it's the kind of study that we wanted. It isn't, in my view, because I want a study to determine the effects of the repeal on battle effectiveness and morale. What this study is designed to do is to find out how the repeal could be implemented."
He said an Army master sergeant in Afghanistan had told him, "'Senator McCain, we live, eat, sleep and fight together in close proximity. I'm concerned about the repeal.' I would like to know more about it. That's the view that I got from chief petty officers and sergeants all over Afghanistan."
I respect your opinion about gay.
But if please, don’t mistreat your “gay” relative especially if you believe that their “gayness” is a mental illness.
I happen to be a brother of “gay” woman. SHE’S THE MOST THE MOST MENTALLY BALANCED PERSON I’VE EVER KNOWN.... AND SHE’S A UNIFORMED OFFICER... SERVING THE GREATEST PEOPLE ON EARTH ... AMERICANS!
By the way, SHE’S ALSO A “CLOSET” TEA PARTY SUPPORTER!
DADT has worked for her just fine.
You told me to stop “lying”. That is calling me a liar. [Surely you’re not going to play word games, and pretend you can accuse me of lying without calling me a liar. That would be totally dishonest.] You need to apologize asap, because it IS a personal attack to call a fellow Freeper a liar, and I did NOT lie. You also said I voted for a RINO and I did not, so that was an unwarranted attack also.
Btw, did you even read what I said? You quote me as using the word “disgraced”. I never said it. You are are badly (purposefully?) misrepresenting what I said. Why?
Have you read the red-worded warning that now appears at the top of the FR Forum page? Do you understand how that applies to supporters of Handel? No? Then why not do some research and find out.
Meanwhile, stop spreading falsehoods about me and what I said and who I supported in the primary. That is a liberal tactic; a true conservative should be ashamed to use it.
PS: Here is a question for you. Why did Palin endorse a huge supporter of Planned Parenthood over a strong pro-life candidate in the primaries? Or do you not consider funneling [at least] 1.2 million taxpayer $ to Planned Parenthood a pro-abortion move? Are you pro-choice yourself, or does it bother you that Handel so staunchly [and with taxpayer $] supported the butcher mills known as Planed Parenthood? I supported a pro-life candidate in the primaries. If Palin had supported him, or even if she had simply failed to endorse his pro-Planned Parenthood rival, he might actually have won.
What’s wrong, your caps button stuck?
Homosexuality is a mental illness, that’s just objective reality. Only homosexual activists got it removed from the list.
Homosexuals are not “gay”, which means happy and carefree. They are people with psychological problems, and it sounds as though emotion is clouding your rationality.
Here are some links with tons of evidence (no “my relative is gay and he’s a prince among men” crap) why homosexuals do not belong in the military:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608306/posts
Rates of Homosexual Assault in the Military Are Disproportionately High
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608259/posts
Ten Reasons to Oppose an “LGBT Law” or Policy for the Military
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2608228/posts
Senate Testimony: European Militaries Are Not Role Models for U.S.
If you’re interested in truth, and a strong military, you will read them. If not, you won’t. Your choice.
A couple more things. As I said originally, I am very pro Palin. A review of my posting history will reveal just how big a Palin fan I am. However, I do not see her as an infallible goddess who has never made a mistake in her life. I believe her primary endorsement here in GA promoted a strongly pro-Planned Parenthood candidate over a solid, clean, established conservative with a stellar pro-life record. That is a shame. She did affect our primary outcome, and not in a good way. For me to say that does not make me a liar or, as you so ickily stated, a slimer. You truly do owe me an apology, but I’m not holding my breath. You seem to find it easier to sling mud (at me) than to admit a mistake and move on.
1. I said stop using a strawman: I didn’t say Palin is infallible. SHE’s definitely not, You’re definitely not, I’m definitely not.... and even the pope is also human and not infallible (I’m a progressive Catholic).
So who said that Palin is infallible? YOU used it as a strawman.
2. Okey. I take back my initial assessment that “you lied”.
Why? Now, you gave us (FR readers) the reason regarding Palin vs. Georgia Election.
Your post:
A couple more things. As I said originally, I am very pro Palin. A review of my posting history will reveal just how big a Palin fan I am. However, I do not see her as an infallible goddess who has never made a mistake in her life. I believe her primary endorsement here in GA promoted a strongly pro-Planned Parenthood candidate over a solid, clean, established conservative with a stellar pro-life record. That is a shame. She did affect our primary outcome, and not in a good way. For me to say that does not make me a liar or, as you so ickily stated, a slimer. You truly do owe me an apology, but I’m not holding my breath. You seem to find it easier to sling mud (at me) than to admit a mistake and move on.
MY TAKE:
You didn’t mention the name. Let me enumerate:
1. Senator Isakson. Incumbent Senator.
He was one of Palin’s prosecutor who mentioned that “Palin is NUTS” for introducing the “death panel” to health care rationing. ISAKSON NEVER BELIEVED IN DEATH PANEL WHEN SUCH IDEA WAS SO UNPOPULAR THEN ... til Palin won the debate.
Not very conservative, eh? Anyone who couldn’t understand the ramifications of “health care rationing” has 99% probability of being “pro-choice” by ignorance.
Reference:
http://www.alternet.org/health/141906
2. Nathan Deal. Incumbent Governor.
Who is Nathan Deal? A former Democrat who signed a pro-abortion “bill” as State legislator in GA in early 1990s and turn-coated into Republican because he would lose in the election so many years back. To be fair, the bill was not passed into law.
Palin’s endorsee was Karen Handel. She lost to Deal in the primary.
Now. Let’s state the fact. See some references below.
Handel was accused of being NOT pro-life because she didn’t sign a pro-life affirmation statement pushed by the Georgia Right to Life. The same statement was not also signed by her opponent the Incumbent Deal btw.
Notice this:
a) The statement as act of State Legislature is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. The decision of criminalizing abortion (the intent of the statement) must be passed as a “direct vote” by the constituents themselves (Georgians).
b) Sorry. But Georgia Right To Life was pushing its own agenda in an unconstitutional manner.
c) GRTL was obviously siding with Nathan Deal. Normally, RTL group are really “puritan” and Nathan Deal wouldn’t pass as worthy to support. Hmmmmm....
b) Apparently, to Georgian Republicans, Deal’s signing a pratical “Abortion Conselling Bill” (although didn’t materalize, it was intended to fund Planned Parenthood) and Not Signing the Above statement is more PRO-LIFE than Handel’s Not Signing the statement “only”.
This was the excuse of Nathan Deal:
Explaining his 1993 vote, Deal initially said in an interview with The Associated Press that “a lot of us were not fully convinced of where ... Planned Parenthood was and what they were doing with their money.”
HIS SCAPEGOAT: HE DIDN’T KNOW THAT PLANNED PARENTHOOD WAS PRO-ABORTION AT THAT TIME! JUST LIKE ISAKSON DIDN’T KNOW THAT OBAMACARE WOULD EVENTUALLY END UP INTO “RATIONING” AND THUS ...DEATH PANEL. Check out Krugman’s most recent revelation about death panel and VAT.
AND GA CONSERVATIVES BELIEVED NATHAN DEAL BECAUSE THE GA MEDIA TOLD THEM SO. IT’S OBVIOUS THAT GA LIBERAL MEDIA WAS BIASED AGAINST HANDEL. IT PREFERRED THE FORMER-DEMOCRAT DEAL over Handel, WHY? BECAUSE ADMIT IT. NATHAN DEAL WAS A BIG SPENDER! [And Palin must be destroyed by destroying her endorsees!]
[Note: Reagan’s signing a somwhat pro-abortion law almost destroyed him! He was experiencing a mild emotional depression over his own child ... not very far from “Sarah Palin’s dilemma with her son Trig”. Reagan showed his full remorse and contrition about it! NATHAN DEAL DIDN’T! And common! How would feel if you’re barren and infertile like Handel! Attacking her personal stance about “abortion” must be so “excruciating”, don’t you think?]
Ref:
http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2010/jul/29/abortion-emerges-election-issue/
3. Ray McKinney for U.S. House in GA-12, Palin endorsed in 10/11/10. AFTER THE PRIMARY! Palin didn’t endorse anybody during the primary.
Ref: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=440080678434
IF HANDEL IS 50-50 PRO-CHOICE ... DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT DEAL WAS REALLY A PRO-LIFE? CLEARLY, THE PEOPLE OF GEORGIA ANSWERED THAT QUESTION IN FAVOR OF DEAL! SO GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.
SO WHY ARE YOU AGAINST MCCAIN? NATHAN DEAL IS WORSE THAN MCCAIN!
SO YOU PREFERRED “MEDIA-PROCLAIMED” SOCIALLY CONSERVATIVE BUT FISCALLY LIBERAL GOVERNOR THAN A “DOUBTFUL” SOCIALLY CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE WITH FISCAL CONSERVATIVE PLATFORM?
So goodluck to that!
NOW. ARE YOU IGNORANT OR ARE YOU A LIAR? OR ARE YOU REALLY A VOTER IN GA? WHICH OF WHICH?
Unsolicited advice: Next time, try to “think” of your candidates as “human”. Check the motives. Don’t dehumanize them.
Your post is incomprehensible. Why are you shouting at me about Deal? Who brought him up, and why? I never mentioned his name. You don’t know what I think about Deal; I haven’t told you, and you haven’t asked. So what new false assumptions are you making about me this time???
Why did you bring Isakson into it? Are you making yet MORE false assumptions about who I support and who I don’t???
You didn’t address Handel’s Planned Parenthood connections. Are you asking me to believe an ardent supporter of Planned Parenthood, who even forced *me*, as a taxpayer, to support their vicious abortion mills [Handel had much better, pro-life options for which she could have used that 1.2 million, and which would actually have served the community better] is in any way pro-life? Handel gave the big bucks to Planned Parenthood for one reason: she likes the organization and supports their work. Otherwise she’d have given it to community clinics which care for the poor but do not perform abortions.
I said it originally and I will say it again: this is a very, VERY rude post. You cannot go more than a few sentences without accusing me of lying. Now you say I have only two choices: I’m ignorant or a liar. Based on what? A slew of false assumptions you are making about me???
You should be ashamed of yourself. Really, really ashamed. Christians don’t treat other Christians the way you have treated me, period. You are giving progressive Catholics a bad name. If they are all as obsessed with calling honest people liars as you are, I’m very thankful you’re the only one I’ve met. How is calling me a liar fulfilling the Golden Rule? Do you like to be called a liar when you’re telling the truth? If you don’t like it, why are you doing it to me?
PS: Just who do you think I supported in the primary??? I really want to know. You said I supported a RINO. Now put up or stop falsely accusing me. Who was my primary candidate of choice???
YEAH. IT'S NOT SO CRYPTIC, EH! [GA, candidates supported by Palin, etc!]
Georgia had been a Blue state until mid 1990s. Thanks to your incumbent R Governor for changing that GA into a Red state.
But the federal intrusion in GA has been so "deep". Practically all career politicians and government executives that worked at that time can be suspect as "panderers" of Planned Parenthood, especially Deal who was "democrat" before the swift turning of GA from Blue to Red.
So if Handel was related to Planned Parenthood (being an official of Fulton CC) would you accuse your retiring, current Governor Perdue as also connected to Planned Parenthood? After all, he's the one approving everything that Deal and other GA legislators put into his plate, right?
Tip to you: THIS IS WHAT PALIN IS ACTUALLY SAYING ABOUT "EARMARKS" BEING SIPHONED INTO THE STATES BY LEGISLATORS IN DC. THERE ARE STRINGS ATTACHED THAT YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO ACCEPT. [Although some projects of Planned Parenthood regarding cancer prevention and other non-abortion services are really quite good - although the string attached is abortion-funding.]
If the logic is accepting funds through Planned parenthood should be tantamount to support for pro-choice policy, then would you accept the corollary that GA (people and govenrment), because of the federal funding Parenthood activities in your state, has been generally "pro-choice" and not pro-life?
YOUR OWN WORD: "You didn’t address Handel’s Planned Parenthood connections."
Blame Governor Perdue not Handel. She's not a decision maker but a mere lieutenant!
FINALLY:
By the way, what do you think about now Gov. Deal's case in the Lower House?
Nathan Deal will really give GA a fresh new start, eh? AT LEAST HE'S A CLEAR WINNER, RIGHT?
FINALLY FINALLY:
I'm Demint Boy and a FredHead first before a Palinista.
The driving force in a homosexuals life has become their perverse desire to be different,and put in in our face.
Again: No pun intended.
No, Handel was solely responsible for that money going to Planned Parenthood. She used $ at her discretion, and Perdue did not have to sign off, nor did he. This is a matter of record; if you do some independent research (as I did) you can verify it. Shouldn’t take that long.
If it’s so clear who I supported in the primary, let’s have the name. I asked you to put up or stop falsely accusing me. For the second time, what primary candidate [for GA governor] did I support???
Question: why so much anger? Why such rudeness toward a fellow Christian conservative? Why so many false accusations? I genuinely want to know.
Warmest regards
Link?
Who are you fooling? Fed Money at the discretion now of Handel? Wow. That would be a new one. He he he!
Link again!
By the way, rude? You’re the one being “rude” coz Palin never affected your primary!
Your favorite Deal won, right? But again, Nathan Deal will have his time of day to face his own “ethical” problem in the Congress. I hope Governorship will shield him from law, eh? And connections, of course.
Ms. Handel would be surprised to find out she couldn’t designate the money she in fact designated. In the following article she does NOT deny she shoveled the $ to Planned Parenthood; in fact she cops to it. She simply offers the pathetic excuse/lie that she had no choice. She plays people for rubes (as RINOs so often do); she thinks GA votes are too stupid to figure out that nobody held a gun to her head and forced her to fund abortion. She was under NO obligation to shower Planned Parenthood with our taxpayer $; she did it because she supports abortion, pure and simple.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/25860
I don’t believe you can possibly really think in your heart of hearts I supported Deal. Why you insist on pushing that odious lie is beyond me. It should be beneath a Christian—and you should be ashamed for maligning me that way.
Since you obviously have no idea who I supported—despite your repeated claims to the contrary—I will tell you. I supported Eric Johnson All The Way, as did every other GA conservative I know. That in a nutshell is the tragedy of Palin’s endorsement. She picked an abortion-supporting RINO no true conservative could vote for. In so doing, she passed over a fine, upstanding Pro-Life conservative we could all have united behind: Eric Johnson. With her help, Johnson might well have won. But he was the wrong gender, I guess, and Deal was the chief beneficiary. What a crying shame.
Convertedtoreason, you are one of the rudest and most obnoxious people I have ever met, on FR or elsewhere. Since you first wrote to me you have done nothing but sling mud at me and lie about me. I feel very sorry for you. I wish you all the best, and I have prayed for you. I hope at some point you see fit to treat fellow conservatives with less meanness, contempt and wholesale dishonesty.
Warmest regards
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