Posted on 11/13/2010 2:55:59 PM PST by DontTreadOnMe2009
Hannity was surprised to hear a famous ex Air Force General tell him “That Is A Missile, Shot From A Submarine!” I quote retired Air Force Lieutenant General Tom McInerney (ex commander of 11th Air Force in Alaska) “I spent 35 years flying fighters, and you can see the guidance system kick in, I have watched that film 10 times, I am absolutely certain that that is not an aircraft, but a sub launch ICBM missile!!!” See the video and judge his words for yourself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LivRJOWrcpA&feature=player_embedded#! I will next post a clickable link.
The film is like 10 seconds long. Nobody is seeing ANYTHING “kick in”.
But apparently, a lot of people like to look at clouds and imagine things. It’s not just for kids anymore.
Anybody see that unicorn over there?
“Missile truthers”. I like that.
Are you familiar with telemetry....Missiles are launched and make a telemetry correction upon lock then boost again.
I have no idea. One can’t tell very much looking at pictures.
Nice job. You must be from the Pentagon. Answer this Mr. “Debunk”. How does a one plume contrail rise going west from the camera? Hummmmmm?
Secondly, review what I posted at #189, your image (at #303) illuminates what is described in the upper-air rawindsonde synopsis (w/isotach contours), there's a profound zonal flow abeam from port-side of the aircraft. Winds aloft from the entire length of the west coast and due west extending west into the Pacific for about 500 miles is in excess of 50kts.
The magnitude of the shearing forces on the contrail are plainly evident at the oldest portion of the contrail. Notice the two lateral bands of cirrostratus emminating to the right and left from the contrail. Both bands of clouds, i.e., traversing left and right, are at the same altitude. The band that juts to the right is farther away. The band jutting to the left is closer to the camera. Moreover, the dark almost black clouds evident in the image at #303 are knwn as stratofractus - from cumulus - aka 'scud' clouds. By definition they can be no higher than FL050. I'm estimating the altitude of the helicopter is FL020 and I'd call the stratofractus broken 'estimated' at FL0350.
Now, that being said, the vertical component of the contrail is purely an optical illusion due to vantage point. The image posted in #58 is entirely devoid the vertical component evident in image at #303 (and yet they're the same object). IF there truly was a vertical component in the contrail, no matter which vantage point you examine it from: it'll be vertical; you can revolve around a vertical rocket exhaust pillar and it will be vertical from all aspects.
See picture 344. Appears to be going up, right? Nope, it’s moving horizontally towards the camera.
Don’t forget your refractive index in that very colorful curve. Yes, that is BS in this case.
This is a lost cause.
That’s the new Dreamliner trying to land at Houston. No wonder Boeing was behind this.
But the complete lack of any evidence is one of the big reasons some people are so sure it’s a missile. :-)
Onto an imaginary point in the sky that the missile must reach by (and at) the time the engine turns off.
(not to be read that I support one theory over another here. I know nothing.)
For someone who plays pretty ugly you seem pretty thin skinned.
Makes you wonder what they're so upset about...Thankfully, the mods have let the debate run it's course.
That’s usually the problem with these breaking stories, you get *facts* that break and then they stick with you altho they may not be true. I hate that.
wrote: I'd call the stratofractus broken 'estimated' at FL0350.
s/b: I'd call the stratofractus layer, broken at estimated FL035 Furthermore, given no other clouds in a 360o radious, I'd call and additional broken layer of CS at estimated FL250. By definition I can't esitmate higher than that w/out PIREP. And margin for error on estimated high etage layer is +/- 5000', so they could be as high as 30000. Quite unusual for cirrostratus. However, FL250 is reasonable considering the contrail sinking ~10k feet w/in 10-15 minutes.
I was in Wichita, KS that evening, staying at a Holiday Inn. I ate dinner in the lounge and we were watching a big screen TV when the news of TWA 800 going down came on. There were several Boeing engineers there in the lounge that evening. 800 was a 747 of course, so the conversation was lively and included the Boeing guys. All in that lounge that night were convinced that the plane was brought down by a missile. Besides the video of the missile that was later pulled, an Army captain who witnessed it was interviewed and he said he saw a streak heading for the plane...a missile. Of course, the Klintonista’s covered it up. Center fuel tank my @$$!
I could care less. This damn thing is different.
They recognized the dangers of EMP to solid state electronics.
I'm going to buy a '65 Mustang very soon, for more reasons than it being a classic.
Oh hell no. This bitch was at 35K on its way to PHO.
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