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To: Grumplestiltskin
I never said that. Dreams do not make things real. I suggest reading comprehension 101.

Indeed, dreams do not make things real. But, don't take your own statement out of context. You said much more than "dreams do not make things real." Taken in context, your entire post makes the statement that some races are bestowed genetically with intellectual gifts, while others are not, and no amount of "chances" given to them would change their fate.

So, on the one hand, you're saying that one group is bestowed genetically with a gift that, OF COURSE, must be nurtured. Well, why must it be nurtured at all, if, on the other hand, giving people "chances" wouldn't make a difference? For the record, I would be in favor of ending "free" public education for everyone and all financial aid for college. Anyone who's intellectually gifted wouldn't need the help, anyway. Right?

Your definition of “what conservatism is” is what _you_ believe it to be. It may not actually be what it is.

No, I didn't make up the definition. It's the correct definition. And group identity politics is the game the Left plays.

208 posted on 11/10/2010 11:18:34 AM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: Tired of Taxes

“Your definition of “what conservatism is” is what _you_ believe it to be. It may not actually be what it is. (me)

No, I didn’t make up the definition. It’s the correct definition” (you)

Citation please?
I’m waiting to see the source of exactly where I can read the “correct” definition of conservatism.

I think I’ll be waiting quite a while for your answer.

“And group identity politics is the game the Left plays.”

The Left “plays it” because (rightly or wrongly) it works for them. It works for them because people naturally identify themselves as being members of groups.

Those “groups” may be political. They may be religious. They may be of a particular nationality. They certainly are of ethnic and racial classifications.

It is as natural (and normal) for people “to see themselves as members of a group” as it is for them to breathe. Nothing is going to change this fact. Again, apply “the test”: to see reality for what it is.

And to deny that those who are _not_ of the liberal and leftist persuasions don’t harbor “group identities” is, well.... it’s simply wishful thinking.

I see the core of the problems that Euros face in America (and the rest of The West) is that they steadfastly refuse “to see themselves as part of a group”, with a culture and ethnic identity worth nourishing and protecting.

One can debate such things all day long, to no end.

But the core issue of this thread is why black students (as a group) fail to achieve as well as white or Asian students (again, measured as a group).

What specifically do you propose to correct that problem?


212 posted on 11/10/2010 2:10:58 PM PST by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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