Posted on 11/06/2010 3:16:45 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
Last year I had to apply to MO for what is the equivalent of a COLB so I could get an American passport. However I also have in my possession the long form birth certificate my mom obtained when I was born that includes all the essential birth information. My American family reaches all the way back to Jamestown but I can guarantee I could never run for president for one simple reason. My dear father is a natural born citizen of Canada and at that time Great Britain—just like 0’s alleged father. He was serving in the Canadian army in Europe during the end of WWII when I was born in the middle of America.
Hey, my husband just reminded me that MO is the “Show Me” state. Let them live up to their name!
Michelle, Obama has NEVER made any birth certificate 'available' to anyone. He posted a jpg and sent copies of the jpg to a few liberal media parrots. The alleged document in the photographs taken by FactCheck do not even match the document in the original jpg. No legal or certified authority has ever inspected this alleged certification of birth. You're making an assumption of validity based on very deft misdirection and trickery.
It says sooooo much that they do this trickery to try and fool the people rather than merely providing his life history documentation. And the democrap party endorses this deceit making them absolutely complicit in the treason ... yeah, I said it, TREASON.
The members can only be replaced if they retire. The current court seems comparatively young. Only three judges seem anywhere near retirement age. But even if the entire court retires and is replaced, the de facto officer doctrine isn't going anywhere.
have you ever done any remodeling? do you tear down the old and replace with the old?
Thanks for providing that info. Which basically proves that the state of MO "does" have and retain the equivalent of the "long form" information. Now the only question is whether they still retain such info for current births.
"It is critical that all registration areas follow these standards as closely as possible..."
I’m from Missouri and I’m into genealogy. Lots of relatives born here, including my own children. I’ll find out if original BCs are still issued and let you all know when I have them in my hands.
And at least in Hawaii there is a law requiring that the state’s vital statistics certificates contain AT LEAST the minimum required by the CDC. The HDOH claimed to me that their “standard birth certificate” (as defined by their Administrative Rules, which according to the definitions includes signatures and a confidential medical portion) is just what’s on the COLB.
When I pointed out that their law requires their birth certificate to have everything in the CDC’s recommended standard birth certificate (which now contains a LOT more than that - 70-some items?), they started cutting out my communications from the communications history so they could pretend that I hadn’t shown them exactly what I was talking about and could try to pretend I was a “vexatious requester” who just wouldn’t accept their answer.
Words cannot express how slimy those people are.
Anyway, I wonder how many states actually have similar laws, which require the vital records certificates to have as a minimum what the CDC recommends.
The fact that any of these vital stats offices would be acting as if they don’t keep records of the birth hospital and attending physician is incredible.
The recommended data requirements as defined by the U. S. Department of Health, Center for Disease Control.
Obots often point to states, such as Hawaii and Missouri that claim to only issue short-form birth certificates as proof that the data commonly found on long-form birth certificates are not maintained.
That is a foolish notion.
The states are empowered to run their own information facilities as they choose, however, to remain in compliance with the reporting requirements of the federal government, it is “recommended” that the data identified as “standard” and described in this document be maintained by the states “for reporting purposes.”
The Chief Information Officer (CIO), or Chief Technology Officer (CTO) knows exactly how to read these recommendations — these “recommendations” ARE requirements. Read the CDC’s subtle directive:
“It is critical that all registration areas follow these standards as closely as possible...”
“As part of the revision process, CDC/NCHS has developed sets of detailed specifications for collecting and reporting the items on the birth and death certificates and fetal death report, which are all available on this Web site. It is critical that all registration areas follow these standards as closely as possible to promote uniformity in data collection across registration areas. Included with the draft specifications is an “overview.” The overview gives the rationale behind the approaches taken to develop the specifications.”
The states are independent entities and are entitled to run their own shops. However, the states know that if they do not comply with these “recommendations,” their federal monies can and will be affected.
The state of Hawai’i has already confirmed that Barack Obama’s ORIGINAL birth certificate is on file at the Department of Health. They confirmed that fact back in 2008.
If anyone really needs to see the original birth certificate, they should get a subpoena for it. Hawai’i statutes allow a birth record to be released to: “a person whose right to examine or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order from a court of competent jurisdiction.” HRS 338-18(b)(9)
My post referred to the recommended data requirements for births as defined by the center for Disease Control, and you know that too.
Why can't you Obots focus?
I would get dizzy if I spun like you guys.
The best combination would be a republican governor with courage and a republican AG with courage.
Nebraska has both governor and AG as republicans but I’ve never been able to get anything out of either one except the boilerplate response: “I trust that the people who were supposed to verify eligibility did their jobs.” Right after I had given them the evidence that NOBODY had checked eligibility. Sigh.
Does anybody know of a state where either (or even better, both) the AG or the governor has shown political courage, and particularly on this issue? If anybody knows of a good governor-AG combination, please Freepmail me. The feds shouldn’t be able to intervene to stop a state AG’s investigation, and there’s no issue of standing, but a lot of “shoulds” haven’t turned out that way in real life so it might be best if Obama’s thugs didn’t know who I/we intend to be in contact with.
Also, if there is anybody whose real-life identity would give them particular clout with a state AG or governor, that’s probably the biggest help I need. I’m a nobody, and there’s no reason for a governor or AG to think I have any clue what I’m talking about. I need to work with somebody who commands respect. If anybody can help me find somebody like that who would be willing to work with me, I’d be eternally grateful.
I think the consensus is that whatever the department is that handles birth certificates only "issues" COLB (short form). What we need is to find out if the "long form equivalent" information exists, even is not issued. But I'll certainly appreciate hearing about anything you find out (as will, I'm sure, many others here with an interest in the topic).
My post has absolutely nothing to do with passports, and you know it.
My post referred to the recommended data requirements for births as defined by the center for Disease Control, and you know that too.
Why can’t you Obots focus?
I would get dizzy if I spun like you guys.
At the bottom of every state of Hawai’i issued short form COLB it clearly states: “This copy is prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”
Judges tend to take those official statements from state governments seriously.
The federal government’s minimum standards for birth certificates is found in the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act Of 2004, Section 7211.
http://www.nctc.gov/docs/pl108_458.pdf(scroll way down)
It remains the fact that Obama’s birth records can be released without Obama’s permission to: “a person whose right to examine or obtain a certified copy of the record is established by an order of a court of competent jurisdiction.” HRS 338-18(b)(9)
“Dizzy” would constitute a big improvement for you.
None of this has anything whatsoever to do with my post.
Keep spinning, Obot.
None of this has anything whatsoever to do with my post.
Keep spinning, Obot.
Get it right. I am a “Birther,” and proud of it.
You, on the other hand are a Gullible.
The Gullibles don’t question Obama’s eligibility. These trusting, naive, innocent folks believe it is crazy, and/or improper to question Obama. The easiest way to identify a Gullible is their complete lack of curiosity and cynicism in the face of the gazillion contradictions that are facts and circumstances of the life of Barack Obama.
Most Gullibles are Obots, as you’d expect, but there are plenty of guys, like O’Reilly and Beck, and blogs like Redstate.com, who are Gullibles also. Almost all of our judges, politicians and journalists are committed Gullibles — especially the journalists. The Gullibles favorite sport is attacking Birthers. The reason Gullibles attack Birthers is because of the Birthers’ skepticism. Birthers don’t buy Obama’s brand of bullshit.
What we have here is one bunch that chug-a-lugged the Obama brew — and one that says, “hey! wait-a-minute! what’s in that stuff?”
The Gullibles ignore the fact that Obama’s book, “Dreams...,” his life’s narrative, is a myth. In the introduction, Obama acknowledges his use of pseudonyms, composite characters, approximated dialogue and events out of chronological order. Outright lies and omissions are not noted for obvious reasons.
The Gullibles ignore the fact that Michelle Obama said that Senior and Anna were never married. She described Anna as “very young and very single when she had him (Obama).”
The Gullibles ignore the fact that their are dozens of reports of his Kenyan birth from responsible journalists and politicians — including his wife Michelle — on two separate occasions.
The Gullibles ignore the fact that three qualified examiners have investigated the Certification of Live Birth provided by the Obama Campaign to partisan web sites, and declared the copies that have been referenced by the world to be bogus electronic documents.
The Gullibles ignore the fact that Hawaii’s Department of Health (DOH) has issued obfuscations and contradictions, and has been creatively using their rulebook to prevent the disclosure of the facts of Obama’s birth records — except the ones they chose. When that doesn’t work, they change the rules. When that doesn’t work, they build a firewall between the DOH and the public. When that doesn’t work they pass a law that says they don’t have to answer inquiries — which is their job.
The Gullibles ignore the conflicting accounts of Obama’s birthplace, even though Obama, himself has been quoted as saying he was born in two different hospitals — and neither hospital has ever, ever confirmed Obama’s birth at their facility.
I could go on all day identifying discrepancies in Obama’s story. Here are a few of the hundreds and hundreds of pages in The Obama File that link to thousands and thousands of pages on the Web, that lay lie to Obama’s narrative, demonstrate how little is KNOWN about this guy, and how dynamic his life story is. It evolves constantly.
Obama, or his people, lay down a scenario. An investigator investigates. The investigator finds the scenario is full of holes, or is an out and out fabrication — and the story evolves — so-and-so misspoke — the reporter got it wrong — somebody misremembered — most often though, Obama just ignores it — after all — he won! — this cycle is repeating constantly — remember Rev. Wright, Obama’s racist “mentor” — Obama sat at his feet for 20 years and didn’t hear a thing — the Gullibles went, uh-huh!
Since the Obama’s bogus Certification of Live Birth was first published in June 2008, there have been at least two additional incarnations of the document, each containing revisions that bear additional information allegedly “supporting” its authenticity. There isn’t a week that goes by that another element in the Obama narrative doesn’t change. And there isn’t another week that goes by that something doesn’t disappear from the Web.
Gullibles expend enormous energy attacking Birthers for expecting Obama to simply be straight with the American People — who do have a right to know — and a need to know. Who are you, Barack Obama, and who sent you? Will the real Barack Obama please stand up and present his credentials?
Like I say on my main page, “Barack Obama is referenced by name, rather than title, in these pages whenever possible — except when used as part of a direct quote. The day Obama produces his bona fides for inspection by the American People, and demonstrates his eligibility to occupy the Office of the President of the United States of America, these pages will be amended to reflect his proper title.”
This is like “The Emperors New Clothes” in real life — Obama’s narrative is his suit of clothes, and the Gullibles just love Obama’s ever-changing threads, and they get upset when someone points out Obama is bare-assed naked.
Gullibles have to attack Birthers — they know in their hearts he’s nekked — but he’s their guy.
Can you imagine what would have happened if Duke Aiona, the Republican candidate for governor and Hawai’i’s outgoing Lieutenant Governor had gone to the Republican Attorney General of Hawai’i, Mark L. Bennett and simply asked Attorney General Bennett to subpoena Obama’s birth certificate?
Lieutenant Governor Aiona lost the Governor’s race to Obama’s buddy Neil Abercrombie by 17 points. Abercrombie claims to have been a friend of Obama’s daddy in their days at the University of Hawai’i.
It was Abercrombie who forced Congressional Republicans to take a stand on Obama’s birthplace when as a Congressman Abercrombie inserted the words “birthplace of the 44th President of the United States” into a non-binding congressional resolution commemorating Hawai’i’s 50th anniversary of statehood. The vote on that resolution was 378-0.
Lieutenant Governor Aiona could have used that resolution, sponsored by Neil Abercrombie as a legal pretext for seeking proof that Barack Hussein Obama II was indeed born in Hawai’i.
Until somebody, anybody in the birther-bot camp seeks a court order, I will continue to see birtherism as a fraud and birther-bots as dupes.
So which are you, Beckwith: a “crank” or a “conspiracy nut?”
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