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US prods industry for F-22 fighter successor ideas
Reuters | 11//5/2010 | Jim Wolf

Posted on 11/05/2010 11:44:20 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld

The U.S. Air Force has begun peering into the far blue yonder for a futuristic aircraft to replace Lockheed Martin Corp's F-22 fighter, a move that has cheered the aerospace industry.

The Air Force in a written solicitation this week sought concepts for a next-generation tactical aircraft to begin operating in roughly 2030, apparently with a pilot aboard.

Experts cast such a system as a would-be successor to the radar-evading F-22 Raptor, the top U.S. air superiority fighter. The single-seat, twin-engine F-22 was designed as a response to Soviet combat aircraft in the 1980s and is barred by law from export to protect its "stealth" technology.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates persuaded Congress to cap its production at 187 last year as Lockheed's F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, which is designed to be less costly, entered early production


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; f22; fifthgeneration; missinglink; sixthgeneration; usaf

1 posted on 11/05/2010 11:44:24 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN0529588420101105

Here is the link


2 posted on 11/05/2010 11:44:58 PM PDT by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

A better idea would be to build more Raptors and put more money into a real A-10 successor.


3 posted on 11/05/2010 11:54:35 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH!


4 posted on 11/06/2010 12:02:27 AM PDT by unkus
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

I would expect 2030 to yield unmanned fighters. Seems reasonable timeframe for cyborgs or maybe just put the pilots brain in a jar on board. If they can’t fund F22s now, then its all scifi anyway.


5 posted on 11/06/2010 12:26:16 AM PDT by catbertz
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

build more Reapers


6 posted on 11/06/2010 12:29:37 AM PDT by Talf
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

The thing just entered service, and they’re already looking for a successor?


7 posted on 11/06/2010 12:35:21 AM PDT by wastedyears (The only good unemployment statistic in America is the number of unemployed Dem officials.)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
Utter idiocy. The F22 is at the apex of what a manned fighter can do. Without the computers imposing limits on its maneuvers, it could easily exert lethal forces on its pilot.

The next gen of fighters will have to be unmanned or require a redesigned (bio-engineered) pilot.

All that said, nobody else is within a decade of building something close to the F22’s capabilities, and that's being generous.

Short version: BUILD MORE F22s!!!

8 posted on 11/06/2010 12:51:11 AM PDT by piytar (There is evil. There is no such thing as moderate evil. Never forget.)
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To: unkus
PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH!

But Obummer and his liberal ilk & many czars would have us do 'Peace through kissing our enemies @SSES'. Meanwhile he will continue to gut the military to the bone while burning through TRILLIONS of dollars in wasteful & un-necessary spending with nothing to show for it except leaving the country totally broke!

9 posted on 11/06/2010 1:15:08 AM PDT by prophetic (0Bama = 1 illegal president = 32 illegal, unconstitutional & unnecessary CZARS to do his job!!)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
NASA has spent $50 billion on the Space Station.

So far, the primary function of humans up there has been cleaning and maintaining their own life support systems.

Had that money been spent on space robotics, the real world and military spin offs would have been stunning, especially for pilotless aircraft.

10 posted on 11/06/2010 2:11:53 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Successor to the Raptor? They’re joking right? It took over 20 years to develop the F-22, and then we bought (drum roll): only 187! And, for good measure, we banned exports, so no variants to keep production alive. So maybe the next fighter will be 30 years in production and maybe we’ll buy 100.

Back in the 80s, Norm Augustine (former CEO of Lockheed Martin) predicted that by 2050, we would have one fighter shared by all the services. Looks like that prediction is well on its way to becoming reality.


11 posted on 11/06/2010 5:34:08 AM PDT by rbg81 (When you see Obama, shout: "DO YOUR JOB!!")
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Build more Rapters... you can’t build or design anything better... not without spending more than it is worth right now... you just hate to admit it.

LLS


12 posted on 11/06/2010 5:39:51 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
The F-22 was screwed from the outset. It uses the IEEE-1394 Firewire databus which was just abandoned by Apple. As a result, the first copies of the Raptor are non-upgradeable and the latest versions will cost so much to upgrade them with the same systems that will come standard on the F-35(HOBS missile, JHMCS) that replacing the airframe is really the only cost-effective thing to do.

I've also read where they are maintenance nightmares because of their radar-absorbing skin. I'm guessing here, but I wonder if RAM just can't take the beating of supersonic and high G flight. Those who have better information, please educate.

13 posted on 11/06/2010 5:48:47 AM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
Replacement no, complement yes....

Here are my ideas...

1.) Overall dimensions no bigger than an A-4 Skyhawk, i.e. it didn't need folding wings.
2.) By extension of 1 above a delta or double delta flying wing planform makes the most sense.
3.) All internal ordance.
NO VTOL variant, work towards STOL, but a Robust landing gear like the Ruskie's do to land in the rough.
4.) To keep the cost down single engine, yes the Navy's undees will be in a wad, but they need to deal with it.
5.) From scramble to airborne, all internal systems, and the entire platform can go within a couple of minutes, ergo like Israel has done and the Ruskie's too.

FWIW, this might be an overall compliment mutli-role machine.

14 posted on 11/06/2010 5:51:31 AM PDT by taildragger ((Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: catbertz

Supposedly, the sixth generation US combat aircraft would have manned and unmanned versions, with fighter-bomber, surveillance, and electronic suppression mission capabilities — and with electronic and visual stealth.


15 posted on 11/06/2010 3:50:14 PM PDT by Rockingham
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To: Tonytitan
The F-22 was screwed from the outset. It uses the IEEE-1394 Firewire databus which was just abandoned by Apple. As a result, the first copies of the Raptor are non-upgradeable and the latest versions will cost so much to upgrade them with the same systems that will come standard on the F-35(HOBS missile, JHMCS) that replacing the airframe is really the only cost-effective thing to do.

Are you sure about your information?

"The IEEE-1394B data bus developed for the F-22 was derived from the commercial IEEE-1394 "FireWire" bus system,[113] often used on personal computers. The same data bus is employed by the subsequent F-35 Lightning II fighter.[113]"

"SOUTHLAKE, Texas -- Deployment of the IEEE 1394 FireWire databus in the future Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II joint strike fighter is providing guaranteed quality of service with predictable latencies in real-time control applications on the aircraft, say officials of the 1394 Trade Association in Southlake, Texas. More than 70 1394 devices are delivering information about mission details, communication systems, weapon systems, engine controls, and flight controls on the F-35 fighter. Prime contractor Lockheed Martin Corp. chose 1394b after a trade study of other networking options including USB, Fibre Channel, and MIL-STD-1553, association officials say."

16 posted on 11/19/2010 4:02:12 PM PST by OA5599
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