Posted on 11/04/2010 11:23:59 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian
In one declarative night, California on Tuesday confirmed its status as a political world unto itself, zigging determinedly Democratic while most of the rest of the country zagged Republican. Voters not only restored the governor's office to Democratic hands, they may have given Democrats a sweep of statewide offices, though uncounted ballots could still shift one race.
Driving much of the success — and distancing the state from the national GOP tide, according to exit polls — was a surge in Latino voters. They made up 22% of the California voter pool, a record tally that mortally wounded many Republicans.
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California Republicans had multiple reasons for head-shaking on Wednesday. For decades, the state party has squabbled over whether success would come more easily to candidates running as conservatives or those who presented a more moderate face to the state's sizeable bloc of independent, centrist voters. This year they tried both. Senate candidate Carly Fiorina ran a firmly conservative race and Whitman took a more moderate road.
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Nationally, non-whites made up only 22% of the Tuesday electorate; in California they made up 38%. Latinos nationally represented 8% of the national electorate, just shy of a third of their power in California. Tellingly, Latinos in California had a far more negative view of the GOP than other voters — almost 3 in 4 had an unfavorable impression, to 22% favorable. Among all California voters the view of Republicans was negative, but at a closer 61% negative and 32% positive. Latinos had a strongly positive view of Democrats, 58% to 37%, whereas all voters were closely split, 49% to 45%.
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Lurking Libertarian writes:
“Mexican-Americans tend to be socially conservative, if economically liberal.”
Socially conservative?
What bunk!
California-Mexicans have the highest illegitimate birth rate in the state.
California-Mexicans have the worst school drop out rate in the state.
The incarceration rate for California-Mexicans is only a fraction behind the incarceration rate for California-Blacks.
California-Mexicans are Hard Left, on every issue, all the time.
California-Mexicans vote 80% for Democrats, all the time.
Does anyone here actually believe the Democratic Party would support Immigration Amnesty if they thought California-Mexicans could be converted to Republicans?
CA’s electoral block did indeed go to the GOP Presidential nominee from ‘68 to ‘88.
You don’t have to point out to me the MYTH of “Hispanic” family values. I live in Texas.
Only long time generational Latino’s etc have embraced the American Values system. It’s the illegals and sundry low lifes that have come to the conclusion that Americans will allow them to break the LAW at will and get by with it.
Query: Can the rest of the United States secede from California?
Query: When is that next big earthquake expected out there?
Query: Is it too soon to officially recognize it as Mexifornia?
Query: Will we allow Mexifornians to freely immigrate to the other 49 states when Mexifornia sinks under the mudslide of corruption, drug wars, murder and violence that is coming?
Query: Will Mexifornians one day do the jobs Americans don’t want to do?
Sadly, these are not really joke questions.
Is there ever a point at which quarantine is the only effective option?
Proposition 8, which banned same-sex marriage in California, passed only because of the Latino vote.
I believe that any city which labels itself as a sanctuary from the rule of law ceases to be part of the United States of America. Anybody who hosts an invasion of the US is itself a declared enemy of the rest of the US. If some town in Nebraska allowed Fidel Castro to have a military base in their town I would consider that town to have declared war against the rest of Nebraska and the US. In strategic terms this is very similar.
If the Department of Injustice declares the US to be a sanctuary from the laws of this nation, the Department of Injustice itself has declared war on this nation.
So now what do we do, now that the coup that illegally claimed the White House has declared war on the rest of the country?
“Proposition 8, which banned same-sex marriage in California, passed only because of the Latino vote.”
Wrong!
Prop 8 passed because Latinos AND Blacks voted overwhelmingly for it.
What's your next conclusion?
California-Blacks are “socially conservative,” too?
Gimme a break!
California-Blacks and California-Latinos are notoriously bigoted against homosexuals.
BINGO!
True. But it wasn't that way in the 1970s and 80s. And Republicans do much better with the Hispanic vote in Texas, Florida and New Jersey. Whether that stays the same may depend on whether Marco Rubio or Jan Brewer is the public face of the Republican party.
Maybe those LAAAATEEEENOOOOOS voters will bail your sorry arses out, when you can no longer pay your light bill or all state checks bounce. FU california.
LLS
Stukc on Studip.. Ca GoP flounders to finish line.. again.
Their kids and grandkids, who are totally Americanized, voted almost 60%-40% against Republicans in 2008.
Why?
Because they want more Cuban immigration?
Of course not.
Their politics have moved Left and conform more closely to the general Hispanic vote, that's all.
I don't follow New Jersey or Texas politics closely enough to comment.
Redistricting will help, along with attracting conservative Hispanics like Rubio into the party. California is pretty much a lost cause and may even be severed from the USA in 20 years, but changes in some of the remaining states could be enacted to preserve what's left.
Theoretically, I suppose a quarantine could be considered. The problem is, and don’t misunderstand this, the problem is the Constitution. We have rights of free movement, equality of citizenship, full faith and credit, open commerce, etc. between the states. That’s a nontrivial barrier to implementing quarantine. Only if CA ever fully detaches from the mother ship and becomes it’s own country would quarantine have a shot at being meaningful.
But realistically, we would have to get a lot better at quarantine for even that to work. Witness our trouble with Mexico. And even Canada, as as a preety good neighbor on many levels, imports way too much liberal-think.
So I think quarantine is simply too passive. You can only hide out for so long. If conservatism really is the better idea, and I believe it is, we need to keep on exporting it from whatever consolidated centers we can put together. And if we are exporting, we are not quarantining. As they say, the best defense ... wait for it ... wait for it ... is a good offense. California is no exception, IMHO.
Of course we’ll never KNOW how many of those Latinos were actually CITIZENS of the US!! Democrats always make certain that no one has to PROVE citizenship and spineless republicans never COMPLAIN!!!!
But the share of the Latino vote going to the GOP nominee did not appreciably change after 1992. That is not consistent with the hypothesis that proposition 187 is responsible for the GOP's electoral woes in California.
Here's another datapoint inconsistent with the prop 187 conventional wisdom. Pete Wilson, who strongly supported 187 when campaigning for governor in 1994, got a larger share of the Latino vote than Dan Lungren in 1998, who opposed it.
Sure there is. We have to change our legal immigration policy so as to increase the quality (and possibly decrease the quantity) of the immigrants we admit.
The key is to move away from so-called "family reunification" policy to a skill-based policy, admitting immigrants based on their jobs skills and income generating potential, rather than on simply being related to someone already here. We could do worse than emulate Canada and Australia in this regard.
By the late 1980's, yes it was. Just go look up George H.W. Bush's share of the California Latino Vote. It was somewhere in the mid twenties, if I recall correctly.
So much for the proposition 187 hypothesis.
I haven't seen the data for the 1970's and early 1980's. Have a link?
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