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To: Godzilla; itsinthebag

Fiorina and Whitman were clueless. I’m in their own party and I didn’t even want to vote for them.

Did either of them mention gun control once?

Did either of them mention the health care bill once?

Did either of them mention the dynamics of California, how the Legislature there has been run by Democrats for the last fifty years?

Did one of them promise to get tough on illegal immigration actually addressing using the National Guard on the border? Well yes, and then when she was nominated she met with Spanish only groups explaining how she didn’t like California props like 187, or Arizona’s most recent bill to address illegal immigration.

Did either of these women address that California was the 5th economic power in the world in 2000, and today it’s eighth?

I can’t fathom how you can spend between $145 and $160 million and miss so much of Jerry Brown’s record, but Whitman did.

Both these women slung mud, but it was mud that was sterilized. It wasn’t the dirty globs of stuff that would destroy the opposition of the caliber the opposition uses on Republicans.

I found myself countless times watching these two women air campaign spots thinking they were sadly misguided.

Firoina aired some spots that showed her face up close. When she talked her mouth screwed up. It just wasn’t a flattering view of her. Who coached this woman? Whitman did the same thing. Here’s my face up close. Hell, I didn’t want to see that face at a distance. Neither of these women are attractive. I don’t generally care, but there’s some things you just don’t do if you’re a below average looking person. Using the last lense before a fish-eye just doesn’t cut it.

There are ways of going negative that sound factual, and there are ways of going negative that just sound juvenile, not effective at all.

Then you get to the realization that neither of these women found anything wrong with McCain, that would prevent them from hitching their wagon to him.

I saw Fiorina as another potential sock puppet for McCain to manipulate in the Senate.

In 2012, I hope we pick some folks who actually did have some connections to actual Conservatism before they decided to run for office.

Evidently picking someone who hasn’t even bothered to vote in the last 28 years just didn’t appeal to people. And another person who sent 30,000 jobs overseas didn’t either.

Go figure.

Those two women were non-starters. We tried to tell all the brilliant voters that nominated them.

Well, here we are...

Will anyone listen in 2012? I doubt it. They’ll just continue to nominate flashy losers and blame everyone but themselves when the stuff hits the fan.

I don’t know one Conservative that hasn’t voted for the last 28 years. Does anyone on the forum?


35 posted on 11/03/2010 11:58:36 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (BHO fans said I was a hater, dismissed my thoughts. Sure glad our side isn't like that.)
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To: DoughtyOne

It is unfortunate that both were novices in the political game.

Running a campaign is not like running a company.

Better luck, and greater wisdom, next time to these two brave ladies.


44 posted on 11/03/2010 12:19:04 PM PDT by Warthog-2 (CONGRATS TO GOV. CORBETT and SENATOR TOOMEY!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Great post...absolutely spot on.

I saw this outcome before the primaries were over...no one wanted to hear the truth. Both Whitman and Fiorina were doomed from the start...they never had a chance.

This is what you get with milquetoast Rinos....

Have we learned our lessons YET?????

Yes, a solid articulate Conservative can win in Kalifornia...we just don’t have any yet.


53 posted on 11/03/2010 12:42:18 PM PDT by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: DoughtyOne

It really doesn’t matter. Big city democrats have a big majority of votes. I though they would learn a lesson when they voted for Gray Davis. LA and Bay area voters will vote for anything with a “D” next to the name. Take Scott Peterson off death row and he could win a Senate seat as a democrat with no campaign in California. He has name recognition.

Teaching Democrats here is like trying to teach moths not to fly into the flame.


56 posted on 11/03/2010 1:44:50 PM PDT by Ritemind (My two cents are change you can believe in!)
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To: DoughtyOne

Fiorina DID mention the health bill
her commercials also mentioned opposition to gun control
She talked about the loss of the economic status of CA.
She talked about stopping illegal immigration. It was Whitman who met with the Spanish-speaking media here in CA, not Fiorina.

I think the thing that really hurt Fiorina was the 2-week hiatus from advertising back in late Sept/early Oct, when Boxer launched an immense media/ad blitz. Fiorina never recovered from that point on, and was always down about 4-5 in the polls. The reason? those wonderful folks at the NRSC who didn’t want to spend money out here.

Look, we had an outspokenly pro-life, pro-gun, anti-illegal-immigration, pro-business, pro-tax reduction candidate. WTF more do you think you’re going to have here? Fiorina worked and campaigned constantly (excepting 3 days for the hospital visit last week).
The unions are just too damn strong here in CA, and THAT is the real margin of victory for the Dems here in CA. They spent a fortune, worked, and had a great get-out-the-vote effort in the highly-populated coastal strip. Boxer’s victory was there and there only. In the inland, she lost badly, most conservative “red” counties went Fiorina by more than 20%. What emphatically DIDNT help were the clowns who went 3rd party or no-vote because of ideological purity or whatever. The same folks probably also inflicted the thoroughly-disgusting Kamala Harris on us for AG. That race is still too close to call and may yet swing. Just the AI party votes would swing that one into the “win” column. Think about that.

Note: DeVore is a great guy, but he couldn’t even beat the guy who came in second (Campbell) in the primary, do you REALLY think he was gonna win this one?

Oh, well. It’s likely soon to no longer be my problem. I just was informed that I have a pending out-of-state job offer.


58 posted on 11/03/2010 3:15:19 PM PDT by Mr Inviso (ACORN=Arrogant Condescending Obama Ruining Nation)
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