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Brown win, Prop. 25 passage give Dems new clout {Dead Democrat elected to Legislature}
AP via SF Examiner ^ | 11/3/10 | DON THOMPSON - Associated Press

Posted on 11/03/2010 10:46:07 AM PDT by SmithL

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To: SmithL

California is now toast, a coming Third World nation.


41 posted on 11/03/2010 11:27:29 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: SmithL

How is a deceased democrat going to govern? /sarc


42 posted on 11/03/2010 11:36:53 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Bogeygolfer; Fred

“At least the Mexicans will drill for oil..”

And secure the border!!

I’m tellin’ ya, ya gotta take your daily dose of humnor where ya find it. LOL!


43 posted on 11/03/2010 11:39:07 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder ("No longer can we make no mistake for too long". Barack d****it 0bama, 2009, 2010, 2011.)
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To: SmithL

If the dead pay taxes and vote, why shouldn’t they be represented in office too?


44 posted on 11/03/2010 11:42:22 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Yup...California jumped off of a cliff last night. The only saving grace is that the Dems clearly own everything that happens from now on. But I’m not hopeful for the future since we clearly now have more “takers” than “givers”. Unfortunately California will be run into the ground before any of the “takers” wake up and realize how foolish they’ve been.


45 posted on 11/03/2010 11:54:22 AM PDT by The Unknown Republican
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To: SnakeDoctor
CA voters were actually pretty savvy on most tax increase propositions. Except I think they were tripped up by the tricky wording of 25. "...provisions of the measure could allow the Legislature to approve tax increases with a bare majority vote if included in a budget appropriations bill." See link for details:


46 posted on 11/03/2010 11:56:17 AM PDT by 386wt
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47 posted on 11/03/2010 11:57:45 AM PDT by 386wt
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To: 386wt

href=”http://www.caltax.org/caltaxletter/2010/110310_voters_reject_tax_increases.htm"; target = _blank” CA voters reject tax increases


48 posted on 11/03/2010 11:59:58 AM PDT by 386wt
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

Oh no, I am serious, the Mexers will tell the stupid green hippies to get lost while the Mexican oligarchs move in and drill. That is Mexico’s idea of governing...


49 posted on 11/03/2010 12:02:17 PM PDT by Fred (Suspend All Immigration Until Unemployment is Reduced to 5%)
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To: 386wt

Can some body fix that link in 48? I guess I’m still HTML dumb. Thanks, three eight six whiskey tango.


50 posted on 11/03/2010 12:03:30 PM PDT by 386wt
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To: Logical me

Election results:

Entire State:
Brown - 3,988,409
Whitman - 3,064,982

LA, and the 8 Counties surrounding the SF Bay:
Brown - 2,103,953
Whitman - 995,563

The Rest of California (the other 49 counties)
Brown - 1,884,456
Whitman - 2,069,419


51 posted on 11/03/2010 12:04:28 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Task 1: Accomplished, Task 2: Hold them Accountable!)
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To: C19fan
In the short term it might help since with Moonbeam there and eliminating the 2/3s requirement for voting, there is nothing to stop the Donkeys from raising taxes as much as they want.

Actually. things aren't quite so rosy for the Dems as the article would lead you to believe.

Yes, Prop. 25 gives the Dems the ability to pass a budget with a simple majority. The Dems can no longer blame the GOp for the failure to pass a budget on time.

However, Prop. 25 was a simple initiative. Prop. 13, which established the 2/3 requirement for raising taxes, was a constitutional amendment. So Prop. 25 cannot override that requirement.

Furthermore, there were 2 more initiatives relating to the budget on the ballot yesterday. The first, Prop. 22, prevents the state from taking money from local governments to balance their budget. The second, Prop. 26, requires a 2/3 vote in order to raise "fees". This prevents them from calling a tax a fee in order to circumvent the 2/3 requirement.

Finally, the state constitution requires that the budget be balanced.

So what we have now is a situation where the Dems have sole control and responsibility for passing a balanced budget by July 1st, in a state with a structural $20bn deficit, with no way to raise taxes or revenues. So they will have to do it by making massive cuts - which they alone will be responsible for.

The only possible exception might be eliminating tax deductions - they might be able to do that by majority vote, but I am sure it would be challenged in court.

52 posted on 11/03/2010 12:09:46 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: 386wt
CA voters were actually pretty savvy on most tax increase propositions. Except I think they were tripped up by the tricky wording of 25. "...provisions of the measure could allow the Legislature to approve tax increases with a bare majority vote if included in a budget appropriations bill." See link for details:

Actually, this was litigated before the election. Since Prop. 13 was a constitutional amendment, it cannot be changed or overruled by a law or initiative, only by another amendment. So no provision in Prop. 25 can override the 2/3 vote requirement for tax increases.

53 posted on 11/03/2010 12:13:24 PM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: umgud
"So, the state will go broke in mayby Feb or March"

California going broke - for real - is like the trick question: "If you go halfway the first day, half the remaining distance the next day, then half of that remaining distance the third day, when do you arrive (answer = "never!"). California will never actually get to breaking point because the pols will always have a new trick up their sleeves. It will always be on the point of going broke, but never actually broke.

54 posted on 11/03/2010 12:30:06 PM PDT by I am Richard Brandon
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To: SmithL

So the Dims will vote for more taxes and spending, further erode the numbers of productive people and productive enterprises in the state, and as a result they will continue to fail to meet their own tax revenue objectives, in recognition of which they will put the state further in debt instead of cutting spending; as that cycle keeps repeating itself into the foreseeable future.

(They are doomed, because too many of those who could vote against this scenario will instead leave - as people like them have been doing for more than a decade).


55 posted on 11/03/2010 1:00:01 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Bogeygolfer

Ironically, without California tax money, the Federal Government —and bad example-—we would be rid of the Democrats you send to Congress—would probably spend less. Of course, the bed thing is that even more Californians would be colonizing gentry waterholes like Sante Fe and Austin. As it is, they are colonizing Arizona and Colorado, and bringing their values with them.


56 posted on 11/03/2010 1:37:23 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: The Unknown Republican

You heard undisguised racism from Sanchez. My guess is that you will hear more of the same two years from now.


57 posted on 11/03/2010 1:40:47 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Well, it is a failed state now.But, of course, so is Mexico. Argentina has been limping along for almost a century.


58 posted on 11/03/2010 1:43:39 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: I am Richard Brandon

Well, it is a failed state now.But, of course, so is Mexico. Argentina has been limping along for almost a century.


59 posted on 11/03/2010 1:43:56 PM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: SmithL

Now, the Republicans have no leverage! I guess the State
has to reach diaster level before the voters in the Bay
Area and L. A. get the message.


60 posted on 11/03/2010 10:58:22 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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