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1 posted on 11/03/2010 6:13:02 AM PDT by kgrif_Salinas
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Not to worry. Atlas will continue to shrug off Kalifornia.


72 posted on 11/03/2010 6:47:11 AM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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If the state actually did default, would that set the stage for splitting/creating 2 or more new states?

The idea’s been tossed around, but a true default in CA might be just what is needed to make that happen, and create 2 new entities that more truly represent the people that live in them.


74 posted on 11/03/2010 6:48:01 AM PDT by RockinRight (if the choice is between Crazy and Commie, I choose Crazy.)
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While the country made a sharp turn to the right, giving the GOP the House in a landslide, CA has moved MORE to the LEFT, if thats possible. Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown as the next Gov, with a Dem Assembly, AND Prop 25 passed, which only requires a simple majority to pass a budget. CA is doomed, and will soon fall into the Pacific. I predict CA bankruptcy before 2012. Truly a land of fruits and nuts.

If California won't secede, we need to push them out of the Union.

75 posted on 11/03/2010 6:48:19 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Karl Rove: The Republican Jimmy Carter.)
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Here’s what they are forgetting in California. They have always had a “backup” plan for bailout from the Feds ... so they can continue doing what they want. But, uh, there’s been a little change, folks. The “finances” for our government originate in the House of Representatives ... now controlled by fiscal conservatives (and a bunch of Tea Party people!). THIS house is not going to vote to bail out California ... and if they do ... then we’ll replace them as we did those who came before them. California is “on its own” ... they want to vote for screwy leadership and socialism ... no problem ... just don’t ask the rest of us to pay for those mistakes. We can NOW say ... “we ain’t payin’ for your lib shenanigans any more” (the fed financial backup of California disappeared last night).


79 posted on 11/03/2010 6:49:43 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (You are just jealous because the voices aren't talking to YOU!)
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I’m SOOOO happy we moved out of that state 15 years ago. I wish I didn’t have to set foot in it and spend a dime. Unfortunately, all my family still lives there, so we have to visit once in a while.


80 posted on 11/03/2010 6:50:38 AM PDT by mom3boys
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We had all the unions, Mexicans and morons voting for moonbeam. We had old ladies that thought Meg Wittman was mean but were too stupid or uninformed to realize Moonbeam will can proposition 13 ( that helps the elderly). Plus the biggest problem was how the propositions were written. You almost had to be a lawyer to understand them. Key buzz words were added so yes meant no and no meant yes. The stoners and elderly didn't have a clue to what they were voting for let alone the Mexicans.
85 posted on 11/03/2010 6:56:13 AM PDT by jetson
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Let Cali be the shining example for all things left and liberal and see what develops. BUT they must face the outcome alone without bailing out from the hard working level headed Americans in the rest of the country.


89 posted on 11/03/2010 7:00:13 AM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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So, what was the choice here? Someone who spent a lot of money, has only talk to go by, and no voting record. Or Brown, which i sure as hell wasn’t going to vote for because of his record. I don’t vote for people who talk, I vote for people who do, I have to see it before I’ll vote for them. And unfortunately, Meg Whitman was only talk, nothing to back it up.


91 posted on 11/03/2010 7:02:15 AM PDT by Wee-Weed Up
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Why did the republican party endorse such globalist hogwash candidates as Whitman and Fiorina? We could have had a contender if the republican party of Schwarzenegger had denounced the globalist agenda instead of running candidates for it.


100 posted on 11/03/2010 7:09:06 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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It doesn’t really matter who the governor is in California.
The public unions run the state and the state legislature do their bidding. Too many on the gravy train have too much to lose by addressing the problems.

A disaster is soon to come in this state and it won’t be pretty nor will the Governor, the legislature or the judgiciary be able to repair the damage. We’re doomed.


102 posted on 11/03/2010 7:09:47 AM PDT by Joan Kerrey
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My apologies in advance to California Freepers and Freepers from other dark “blue” states . . . but my attitude is that if we are going to have @ssholes in government, they may as well be concentrated in places like Massachusetts, New York, California, etc.


105 posted on 11/03/2010 7:12:31 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("Let the Eastern bastards freeze in the dark.")
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I think CA might be proof that running RINOs is a losing proposition. It’s one thing to run on principle and lose, but when you run saying “I’m kind of like them, but kind of different” and then start positioning yourself during the campaign to be like them there isn’t really that much difference between the frying pan and the fire. The ‘Terminator’ did a lot to terminate the CA Republicans, and so now they have to figure out what to do. I hope they get a clue and come back to first principles, otherwise CA will be a lost cause for decades. I’m not hold my breath though, NY Republicans are just as bad, if not worse and there’s no sign of that changing.


107 posted on 11/03/2010 7:13:38 AM PDT by dajeeps
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OK as a Californian I really would like to offer an alternate explanation to the widely held belief that people moving into other states from CA are going to want to make your town another San Francisco. It’s not true.

Presently, I am staying here for one reason: My employer treats me well and pays me fairly. It makes no sense to leave as long as that is the case. However - 15 minutes after that changes, the car will be gassed up and I’ll be heading out. And I’ll join the exodus. Let me offer my view of the mindset, you’ll find represented in this new wave of reverse Okies:

To all those saying “do not move to (insert state name)” please know for a fact - unlike previous migrations you’ve seen Californians from, this one is driven by conservatives leaving liberalism.

Previously, those who rode the CA real estate bubble right to the top then moved out with their windfall, were liberals. They were made amazingly wealthy in a very short time by complete happenstance, and without exception felt deeply attached to California liberalism because it allowed them to accumulate all that wealth they moved to your town with. They’re the ones you think, the rest of us are like.

Wrong.

That’s not what’s happening now. Now the liberals are staying here and electing people like Moonbeam, and passing stupid props guaranteeing the state will economically implode.

It is conservative individuals, and conservative companies, now heading out the door.

If you see a car with a CA plate, it’s not a liberal. It’s a REFUGEE from liberalism.

Offer them tea. :)


108 posted on 11/03/2010 7:14:32 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (FU TURD BLOSSOM!)
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Coyote-ugly California.


110 posted on 11/03/2010 7:18:22 AM PDT by Miss Behave
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The only thing we can do about Kolifornia is to make sure they don’t get bailed out!! We have enough votes now to keep it from happening!!


112 posted on 11/03/2010 7:19:36 AM PDT by ontap
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CA is doomed, and will soon fall into the Pacific.

Having lived in Los Angeles during 1885-2005, I agree.

BUT...the problem, as has happened over a couple of decades is that
the Californians will flee the economic disaster they created by
voting for the likes of Boxer and Henry Waxman (”my” Congressman
in LA) and take their political cancer to sane states.

(E.g., the flight of Californians to Texas in search of afforable real estate).

The same thing happened during previous economic downturns when Californians
fled to Oregon, Washington state, Nevada and even Idaho.

The one reason I can see for “bailing out” California is if it’s
stipulated that “y’all stay put in your economic hell-hole!”.


117 posted on 11/03/2010 7:26:47 AM PDT by VOA
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There are many conservative Calif who see that their vote doesn’t count anymore. They still vote and campaign for a more conservative changes but they are simply to small a minority. They would like to move but they can’t because of employment and health insurance,etc.

At least have a little sympathy for them...

After all when Obama was swept in it didn’t make you stupid or an idiot because you lived in a country that elected him.


122 posted on 11/03/2010 7:28:35 AM PDT by skyman
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Brown will guarantee four years of drama, fear, uncertainty and doubt.

Only Obama can save them now.

131 posted on 11/03/2010 7:35:22 AM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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I have already let my family in CA know the welcome mat is out in our ancestoral state of CT, or we all head far north to Alsaska.


135 posted on 11/03/2010 7:37:58 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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You guys had better keep a sharp eye on your own state! This is moving your direction i.e. unfettered illegal and legal immigration from the Third Word. California is already bankrupt. Would the last productive Californian turn out the lights (permanently)? It may be me.....
137 posted on 11/03/2010 7:40:01 AM PDT by Bon of Babble
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