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FReeper Book Club: The Debate over the Constitution
5 Oct 1787, Centinel #1
6 Oct 1787, James Wilson’s Speech at the State House
8 Oct 1787, Federal Farmer #1
9 Oct 1787, Federal Farmer #2
18 Oct 1787, Brutus #1
22 Oct 1787, John DeWitt #1
27 Oct 1787, John DeWitt #2
27 Oct 1787, Federalist #1
31 Oct 1787, Federalist #2
3 Nov 1787, Federalist #3
5 Nov 1787, John DeWitt #3
7 Nov 1787, Federalist #4
10 Nov 1787, Federalist #5
14 Nov 1787, Federalist #6
15 Nov 1787, Federalist #7
20 Nov 1787, Federalist #8
21 Nov 1787, Federalist #9
23 Nov 1787, Federalist #10
24 Nov 1787, Federalist #11
27 Nov 1787, Federalist #12
27 Nov 1787, Cato #5
28 Nov 1787, Federalist #13
29 Nov 1787, Brutus #4
30 Nov 1787, Federalist #14
1 Dec 1787, Federalist #15
4 Dec 1787, Federalist #16
5 Dec 1787, Federalist #17
7 Dec 1787, Federalist #18
8 Dec 1787, Federalist #19
11 Dec 1787, Federalist #20
12 Dec 1787, Federalist #21
14 Dec 1787, Federalist #22
18 Dec 1787, Federalist #23
18 Dec 1787, Address of the Pennsylvania Minority
19 Dec 1787, Federalist #24
21 Dec 1787, Federalist #25
22 Dec 1787, Federalist #26
25 Dec 1787, Federalist #27
26 Dec 1787, Federalist #28
27 Dec 1787, Brutus #6
28 Dec 1787, Federalist #30
1 Jan 1788, Federalist #31
3 Jan 1788, Federalist #32
3 Jan 1788, Federalist #33
3 Jan 1788, Cato #7
4 Jan 1788, Federalist #34
5 Jan 1788, Federalist #35
8 Jan 1788, Federalist #36
10 Jan 1788, Federalist #29
11 Jan 1788, Federalist #37
15 Jan 1788, Federalist #38
16 Jan 1788, Federalist #39
18 Jan 1788, Federalist #40
19 Jan 1788, Federalist #41
22 Jan 1788, Federalist #42
23 Jan 1788, Federalist #43
24 Jan 1788, Brutus #10
25 Jan 1788, Federalist #44
26 Jan 1788, Federalist #45
29 Jan 1788, Federalist #46
31 Jan 1788, Brutus #11
1 Feb 1788, Federalist #47
1 Feb 1788, Federalist #48
5 Feb 1788, Federalist #49
5 Feb 1788, Federalist #50
7 Feb 1788, Brutus #12, Part 1
8 Feb 1788, Federalist #51
8 Feb 1788, Federalist #52
12 Feb 1788, Federalist #53
12 Feb 1788, Federalist #54
14 Feb 1788, Brutus #12, Part 2
15 Feb 1788, Federalist #55
19 Feb 1788, Federalist #56

2 posted on 10/28/2010 7:56:38 AM PDT by Publius (The government only knows how to turn gold into lead.)
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To: Publius

Our Framers were not Utopians. They were practical men experienced in self government. Madison described the strengths and reasons for a House as well as possible corruptions.

He asked, “It is possible that these may all be insufficient to control the caprice and wickedness of man. But are they not all that government will admit, and that human prudence can devise? Are they not the genuine and the characteristic means by which republican government provides for the liberty and happiness of the people? Are they not the identical means on which every State government in the Union relies for the attainment of these important ends?”

So yes, all men and governments can be corrupted. The House is no more nor less corrupted by its structure than any state legislative body.


3 posted on 10/28/2010 8:09:19 AM PDT by Jacquerie (It is only in the context of Natural Law that our Declaration and Constitution form a coherent whole)
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To: Publius

The importance of Federalist 57 is it was written in response to Brutus 4 which appeared a couple of months earlier.

Of possible reasons to oppose the Constitution, how could anyone, on quiet reflection, find a House of Representatives so objectionable? The House mirrored state assemblies in purpose and was little different in numbers of constituents per representatives from state senators. Due largely to difficulties of travel, terms were for two years rather than the preferred one. How could Brutus claim that the reps could not represent their constituents when the qualifications of the electors were identical to those of state assemblies? Finally, Brutus states that representatives of the people were an absolute necessity, then makes unsubstantiated claims that the people cannot be represented at all. Huh?

No, the purpose of Yates/Brutus was obvious, to throw sand in the gears of Constitutional ratification by opposing each and every clause, no matter how logical or necessary to correct the impotent Articles of Confederation. I suspect he lost the confidence of many readers with his wild-eyed accusations. Of reasons to question the Constitution, the existence and composition of the House was not one of them. Brutus was opposed to the House of Representatives because it represented a “Great Compromise” between small and large states which held the Constitutional Convention together at an early date and allowed the delegates to continue their deliberations.

http://www.constitution.org/afp/brutus04.htm


6 posted on 10/28/2010 12:27:36 PM PDT by Jacquerie (The President should regard the Constitution and the Declaration like an obsessed lover. Mike Pence)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

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9 posted on 10/28/2010 5:29:36 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a tea party descendant - steeped in the Constitutional legacy handed down by the Founders)
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