Vatican: Koran encourages 'killing Christians'

Adnkronos International ^ | 10/22/10 | Staff

[Nachum]

Vatican City - The Koran is a text that encourages Islam to impose itself with force and permits the killing of Christians, said Lebanon's Catholic Patriarch of Antioch Archbishop Raboula Beylouni, addressing a Vatican meeting of Middle East bishops. "The Koran gives Muslims the right to judge Christians and kill them with Jihad," he said. "It gives orders to impose religion with force, with the sword. For this reason, Muslims don't recognise the freedom of religion among themselves or others." Pope Benedict XVI on 11 Oct. the opened the two-week-long meeting of 246 Middle East bishops and other religious leaders

[rbmillerjr]

Does this really need to be an anti Catholic thread?

If we Christians can’t unite on exposing the truth of the evil that is in the Koran and thus the Islamic faith, we are doomed.

the Athenians and Spartans would even unite to fight the Persians.

This statement by the Archbishop of Antioch is a great and enlightening statement. (I’m guessing that NPR won’t invite him on the show though)

[Martin Tell]

My "Facebook Friend" actually is a friend, and I know he's not Muslim since he is a member of my church.

While our church is extremely traditionalist and most members are very conservative, we do have a few lib members. He is a divinity student, so by definition he is young, foolish and indoctrinated. I still have hope for him, however.

And he is always posting these outrageous things on Facebook and then claiming to be shocked when folks get angry; he says it's nothing personal. So I decided to take him at his word and challenge his "Islam is peaceful" crap. So far he's been respectful, but one of the lib posters "dropped out" of the conversation since my post was "disturbing."

It's so different from posting on FR!

[rbmillerjr]

Btw,

Post this link on your Facebook pages. This needs to see the light of day before the anti Western and anti Christian zombies in the media spin it.

[netmilsmom]

>>I wouldn’t get to triumphant when there are photos of the late Pope JP2 kissing the Koran. <<

He’s dead. We have a new Pope.
Some of us live in the now.

[netmilsmom]

>>Does this really need to be an anti Catholic thread?<<

On FR?
Youbetcha.

They never miss an opportunity.

[netmilsmom]

>>Nah. JPII was dabbling with being a ham (muslims, please forgive the image). It was a life long hobby. <<

That is the most realistic statement I have ever read about JPII.
Thanks!

[hoosierham]

I rather think anyone's kissing the tarmac or the koran are ,at best,silly;but for a Pope ,ridiculous!

Kissing the koran could be seen as a sign of submission;NOT the image you want to convey.Better by far to have graciously accepted the book but omitted the kiss.

Every act of a Pope is not infallible;he is only a very human leader of the Church originally overseen by the apostle Peter.

[PetroniusMaximus]

“We will never know, but this we do know, JPII unconditionally loved the Mormon people.”

Doubtless. But the error contained in the Book of Mormon will lead Mormons to destruction. Therefore it is to be despised.

The same is true of the Koran.

[Lion Den Dan]

I try not to. Yes, I know they were aware, but it was like the big elephant in the room. they seldom speak of it, succumbing to Political Correctness.

Right. The vatican only launched a number of crusades and expended a vast treasure in the effort to stop the ragheads.

[PetroniusMaximus]

Funny thing is, I have often defended the Pope or the Catholic Church here - when their pronouncements or actions are in line with the the New Testament.

But I have noticed certain Catholics on this board, where out of simple arrogance or a bloated sense of victimization I can not be sure, will defend the actions of the Catholic Church no matter what. Even well past the point of absurdity.

That is because, for these people, truth is defined by “the group”. For those like myself, truth is defined by “principle”.

In this situation, the principle is that you don’t kiss and thereby honor or hold in esteem a body of teaching that will take people straight to eternal hell.

[theDentist]

And that last Vatican-launched crusade was what date again?

[ArrogantBustard]

1) The Koran gives Muslims the right to judge Christians and kill them with Jihad," he said. "It gives orders to impose religion with force, with the sword. For this reason, Muslims don't recognise the freedom of religion among themselves or others." Have you any comment on that?

2) But I have noticed certain protestants on this forum who attack, insult, or defame the Church always, regardless of the facts. As for your claim ... Nobody on this forum has shown greater interest in purifying the Church than the Catholics themselves. Your claim is false.

3) "In this situation, the principle is that you don’t" insult the very people you're persuading to improve their behaviour.

[Bridesheadfan]

JPII’s heart was in the right place most of the time, but he made a lot of mistakes as Pope. Kissing the koran was not his finest moment.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Yeah, I winced, too, when I saw the picture, years back, of Pope John Paul II kissing tht Koran. Where's my facepalm?

>:o/

I am well aware that he was a kissy polish guy, he kissed tarmacs, he kissed a blind guy's guide dog, and food (it seems I remember a smelly cheese, it made a funny picture), and gifts, he invariably kissed gifts: sombreros, soccer jerseys, flags. Too much. Cringeworthy. And of course kissing a Koran would be interpreted, by those motivated to do so, as some kind of religious submission.

But it would be interpreted thus only by people who didn't know jack chick about Wojtyla.

People seem to forget that a Muslim gunman, Mehmet Ali Agha, shot and almost killed Pope John Paul II in 1981; and that when Pope Benedict (in a philosophical lecture at Regensburg University in 2005) quoted merely quoted a 14th century Byzantine emperor to the effect that Mohammad's contribution to world culture was not all that positive, there were riots on 3 continents and 16 people killed, including an elderly Italian nursing nun shot in the back in Somalia.

And they forget what happened when Muslim operatives informed Pope Benedict that if he baptized Muslimn-born convert Magdi Allam, blood would flow in Rome. So what happened? He went ahead and baptized Allam in the highest-profile way possible: at the Easter Vigil, guaranteed to get maximum worldwide publicity:

Pope baptizes famous Muslim convert

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1990056/posts

I, personally, think this Pope and the last one "grasp" the essentials of Islam with a lot deeper realism, and at a lot greater personal price, than most of us will ever be called on to do.

It's knowledge and it's nerve, not from infallibility --- not at all, in this case --- but from costly personal experience.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Just looking at this quote from Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan: (see tagline)