Posted on 10/17/2010 5:39:06 PM PDT by libh8er
LONDON: Speculation is rife that Hillary Clinton may run for the US president's office in 2016, as her husband Bill is back on the campaign trail -- offering thanks to those who backed her in 2008 against Barack Obama, a media report said.
According to Britain's 'The Daily Telegraph', former President Bill Clinton has been laying the foundations for the Secretary of State's another try in 2016, by campaigning for Democratic politicians who helped his wife Hillary run for the president's office against President Obama two years back.
In fact, Bill, now a globe-trotting philanthropist, went to Española, New Mexico, the site of the first European colony in America, last week to campaign for Diane Denish, the Democratic candidate for the governor.
Denish had supported Hillary against Obama in 2008 and Bill was back to repay the debt; he made crystal clear who he was representing on the campaign trail -- and it wasn't Obama, the report said.
"I planned to do about one stop for everybody that helped Hillary run for president because she's one of only two members of the president's cabinet who cannot participate in politics," he told a gathering of 4,000 people.
As Secretary of State, he reminded people, is not permitted to campaign. "Then I got out here and started stirring around and realised that a lot of people were mad and even more confused and I didn't want it on my conscience so I just loaded up and started strolling around," Bill said.
Bill's energetic reappearance on the campaign trail comes just as rumours, some of them eagerly fuelled by the Clinton camp, swirl that Hillary might replace the hapless Joe Biden as Obama's vice-presidential running mate in 2012 or even challenge the President for the Democratic nomination if his popularity continues to slide.
If 2008 was Hillary's last, best shot, how does it follow that she'll try again in 2012? She had her chance, and she lost. It's over for her, for all of the reasons I laid out.
Now, she might launch an exploratory campaign, just to see what her odds for 2012 look like. I'd say that's a possibility. However, events would have to align perfectly for her to have a real second chance. It's very hard to see that happening, given the trajectory of events now.
She could seriously win in 12 if we don’t put up the right candidate. No poop. Democrats would WELCOME her after Obama. If she runs against him, tracking to the right will still leave her in Deep Socialist territory from the cold Marxist place Obama has us now.
And Obama’s polling may tell him to step down anyway. I am not convinced he’d go for another 4. I don’t even think he could qualify in all 50 states, because surely some of them are going to ask for documentation he refuses to provide. He may already know Hillary will be next.
Most Republican leaders do not have the cojones to truly take her on, so we are sunk if we don’t choose wisely.
Agreed, but I still don't think it's going to be Hillary. What's her campaign slogan going to be? "How you like me now?" LOL
I sincerely hope you are right!
Enjoyed the conversation -very- much. Off to sleep. Take care.
See my previous for what I think might happen. I am stunned at how different our predictions are. I think his lack of documentation for state party eligibility to run might really hurt him here, and might be an additional reason (besides a sure shellacking) for Obama not to run at all.
I think Hillary is a formidable enemy because she is so experienced at knowing how to tack to the center, and she has SO MUCH SPACE betwen where Barack took this country and the Actual Political Center that she needn’t even approach it. She knows how to control the mainstream news cycle, which I hope can now be overcome with all the other sources of info...
Do you really think there will be an outcry that she stole anything, when he has done so much bad for us all, black, white, blue, and striped?
My fear is of the male Repub leaders who are scared to take her on, if she is the nominee. We would be so better off if he was our opponent, it’s not funny.
(I totally get you on him needing to be propped up - check out the photo of him today in the back of the limo looking like he is holding an imaginary, comforting, little crack pipe...)
I dunno, Windflier. I think Hillary has 2 advantages over Sarah. Hillary will fight dirty. If you want to know how dirty she is willing to fight, go to Ft. Marcy Park and ask old Vince. And second, Hillary’s negatives are SOMEHOW less than Palin’s.
But Sarah has one shining thing on her side, if it came down to a race between them. Sarah has the truth. I am hopeful that the truth can win. It will NOT be easy.
I actually wish you were right. But I fear that Hillary in 2012 would be formidable and would probably win, against ANYONE but possibly Palin.
Clinton won in 1996 because he moved to the center as a result of the 1994 elections, and he was able to co-opt credit for the Republican agenda.
Obama will never, ever move to the center. He’s an ideologue, not a politician.
Oh, don't be. I think you and I probably agree on most of the calculus for 2012. We're just concentrating on different points of it tonight.
I think his lack of documentation for state party eligibility to run might really hurt him here, and might be an additional reason (besides a sure shellacking) for Obama not to run at all.
I'm with you, there. At least a few states are liable to tighten up their filing requirements, which will be an automatic full stop for Obama. He dare not reveal his documentary past at this late date, after having defied the public for so long about it. In all likelihood, he can't anyway, which is why he's defied us for so long.
I think Hillary is a formidable enemy because she is so experienced at knowing how to tack to the center...
Bubba was a master at tracking to the center, but Hillary has no experience or tact with that at all. A lexis-nexus search will bring up innumerable Marxist/Commie statements of hers, which will be used by opponents to pin her firmly to the hard left.
The country is now in rebellion against the Socialist agenda, and the people aren't going to back off anytime soon. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid have ensured that the pain of that agenda will be with us for at least a decade. Democrats are now running away from it as fast as their feet will carry them.
Hillary is well known for pushing for a nationalized health care system, which is one major Socialist position she can't run from. The tie to ObamaCare is unbreakable, and it will hurt her badly.
Do you really think there will be an outcry that she stole anything, when he has done so much bad for us all, black, white, blue, and striped?
If Obama steps aside, and Hillary runs, blacks and the far left will deduce that it's a set up, and that the Clintons are responsible for it. They will not buy the narrative from Obama and the Democrats, and will revolt against the party.
As I said above, most Americans have rebelled against the Socialist agenda, but remember that there are around 20% to 25% in this country who are true believers. Despite the abysmal failures of Obama's progressive agenda, they will press ahead, and will demand that the party continue to run in that direction.
How will Hillary hope to gather them into the fold, if she has to track to the center? If she tries to track left to appease them, she loses the center. If she attempts to hold some nebulous middle ground, she'll lose the hard left and especially blacks.
The problem for Hillary, and for any prospective Democrat hopeful, is that the progressive agenda has failed. This presents a host of problems for Democrats across the political landscape, no matter how strongly, or how weakly they've supported it. The fact is, they're all glued to it, and Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, no matter how much they'd like to dis-entangle themselves.
Like I've said upthread, I wouldn't want to be one of their strategists right now. They've got an impossible minefield to navigate.
My fear is of the male Repub leaders who are scared to take her on, if she is the nominee.
Fortunately, we won't have to worry about that for 2012, because a fearless woman from Alaska will be leading the charge.
Barry is going to step down “for the good of the party” and because America is “so rasis and not ready for a black president”. Hillary will be at the top of the ballot in 2012. The ‘RATS have used Barry up. They don’t need him anymore.
Right
Hillary may well be president a lot sooner than 2012.
A) Obama is forced to resign. B) Biden picks her for VP, C) Biden resigns (for reasons of health). Hillary is President.
OR
A) After Obama and the Dems suffer a beating in the election of 2010, Hillary has a big dust up with Obama over some issue. B) She resigns in early 2011, C) Runs against Obama D) Beats him in the primary and faces Sarah Palin or Mitt Romney and wins. E) She is president in January 20, 2012. (She appoints Bill Clinton as Sec. of State,)
Very very likely
If Hillary was such a dirty fighter, she should have kicked Obama's butt in the primary. I honestly was betting that she would, but she never rose to the occasion, which caused me to conclude that our side built her up to be bigger and badder than she really is. I came away believing that she's a pathetic lightweight after watching her in the 2008 campaign.
I mean, she couldn't figure out how to beat down a radical community organizer with no past? Meh...she's way over-rated.
And second, Hillary’s negatives are SOMEHOW less than Palin’s.
Hillary's negatives only SEEM smaller than Palin's because she's been out of the limelight for so long, and the fact that neither Obama, nor McCain were willing to throw them in her face. Sarah would do that in a heartbeat without blinking.
Sarah Palin is a fearless fighter. We haven't seen her real fury unleashed yet, but if and when we do - look out. That fury will ignite libtard moonbats on sight. Hillary doesn't have half the skill and brilliance of Sarah, which is why I don't think she'll even consider running for office if Sarah's in the mix. A whole lot of other wanna-be hopefuls will also stand down as soon as they find out she's running. The lady is formidable, and is the real deal.
Sarah has one shining thing on her side, if it came down to a race between them. Sarah has the truth.
And therein lies her power. It comes from a core grounding in timeless principles of right and wrong, as well as our fundamental American basics.
Hillary, like all Socialists, has core 'values' that are based upon lies and unworkable theories. Those lies are being revealed for what they are as we speak. The Obama agenda is an historic failure that has brought this country to the brink of collapse.
Hillary is in the worst position in time to be a liberal Democrat in our history. Her way is being rejected, while Sarah's is being embraced.
I'm sorry, but Hillary doesn't stand a chance against Sarah. She'd be a fool to even try.
And then there was Monica, Paula, and Juanita.
The msm is pushing that trailer trash piece of garbage on us and making him a hero.
I agree with you that this lack of documentation thing is real fire behind the smoke. It has gone on so long that it’s no set up (Obama pulling out his long form BC for all the world to see at this point to prove the “Birthers” are idiots); even some mainstream press has mentioned this crucial legal issue. This issue is not “nothing.”
I suspect he attended one or more of his universities as a foreign student and thus actually checked a box marked NO for “Are you an American citizen?” on his application.
It is true that Hillary hasn’t personally tracked toward the center, but with Barack before her, she certainly would not have to force herself to go very close to the actual political center! I think that as socialist and Alinskyite as she is, she is perceived to be more Democrat mainstream.
I would like you to be right, that the country will reject her for what she is. I’m not completely convinced of that, because I think she will own the media. It feels like that has already begun, and I don’t focus on much mainstream media. Just my little ears to the ground tell me she’s working on it...
Those 25% of true believer liberals, those who think Obama didn’t go far enough, will probably not want Hillary. But if she is up against Sarah, sadly, to a lot of Joe and Jane Q.s, Hillary appears more palatable. It’s abhorrent and they are wrong, but it will be a fight to show these apoliticals the truth.
Do you really think that the Anointed (Thomas Sowell’s term) will dump Progressivism just because (as they believe) Barack didn’t get the word out right? Unh-unh. They will still want more of it. Yes, Democrats are in shambles, not knowing what will get them elected in the near future, but it will still be some form of Big Gov, Elitist, We are here to help kinds of pathetic pandering.
And remember, if we win big next month, we then have to fight our own new winners in order to keep them on the right track, as when everyone gets into office, they fall prey to that power syndrome. We will be needing to hold their feet to the fire, AND to help them through the bad press they might not be used to hearing about themselves.
I like your line of thinking, though, and I hope I am over-pessimistic.
I was waiting for it too. The Clintons were always so evil with the dirt on their opponents. We KNOW Hillary is a racist and anti-semite, so maybe she was cowed because Obama is black, or maybe, just maybe, the poop HE had on HER was just as bad. I think I believe the latter. That they ended up being in a Mutually Assured Destruction situation!
Hillary doesn't have half the skill and brilliance of Sarah, which is why I don't think she'll even consider running for office if Sarah's in the mix.
Your lips to G-d's ears. I think Hillary WOULD take on Sarah, but I too think Sarah is the one to beat Hillary.
Look at the fact that Ms. Super Feminist got everywhere she got by RIDING ON THE COATTAILS OF A MAN! Not Sarah. In fact, Hillary got her Senate seat out of PITY for the scorned woman (and of course pandering to various ethnicities including the terrorist group).
The Obama agenda is an historic failure that has brought this country to the brink of collapse.
Wow, the way you say that makes me almost glad it happened, if it really has taught the average Americans the truth about socialism and the racism of low expectations. As much as his Presidency has hurt me and mine personally, it was all worth it IF we never have to entertain such idiocy again.
If you think Sarah Palin would whup Hillary, you must think her beating Obama would be a walk in the park.
The more I think about this (and read the insight you and others offer) perhaps this is just posturing for Hilly to get a SCOTUS nomination or Bill named as UN Sec Gen. Something to keep the “Clinton” name going.
Two years is an eternity in politics. Who knows, especially with this cabal in power what could happen, and what the events will be come the next presidential election.
Windflier, thanks for your insights and there is only one tiny little thing I disagree with from what you said. I don’t know how old you are and if you remember the huge “unusual deaths” list from the Clinton regime starting way back when they were the governor of Arkansas.
IMO Hillary would kill her own family and best friends if it would get her the presidency. I think the reason she couldn’t remove Obama by hook or crook or shocking death was exactly what you have laid out for us, and she could NOT have won with the black community against her. If she’d tried it then, she’d never overcome the loss.
GOP, I think you came very close to what I suspect is in the works when you referred to Bill or Hill becoming the head of the UN.
Windflier, what do you think would be the reaction if the Clintons applied their well-used “final solution” to Ban Ki Moon and there arose a draft Obama movement to replace him as the “Messiah” who could save the UN and thus the world.
What if he and Hillary appeared together as she said he’s the only one who can save us and he said he’d be willing to make the sacrifice of giving up the presidency because it’s just so important. More important than one crappy country...
He gets out of what’s turning into a really bad place for him and into a place with just as much glory, public speeches, adoration etc., and almost no work compared to the presidency with no organized opposition (Jesse Helms is long gone).
Hillary gets the best set up she can. Biden appoints her VP and, after a short time, steps down for health reasons. Now she’s an incumbent which is usually an advantage.
She’s smart enough to hide her real goals (same as Obama’s) and cuts taxes, turns the taken over businesses and financial institutions back to private ownership and voila the economy improves and she takes the credit. She can reverse course after she’s elected on her own and go back to the slower, steadier path to death and destruction that her party was following before Obama turned the water right up to full boil and the frogs started jumping out of the pan.
It would give Sarah a much more nebulous target if Hill ran as Sarah except just a little bit more “compassionate” and she wouldn’t even have to wink very hard to tip off her base that she’s really still with them. The journOlistas would certainly be in full campaign mode for her and the 5 minute hate for Sarah would be turned up full blast.
Could she get away with that IYO, especially if Obama appeared pleased with the transition and actually campaigned for her? I ask because I think we (including her) all know she can’t get elected without the black vote and yet she and BJ seem to be proceeding. Thanks in advance for your answer.
I'll say this: We live in interesting times.
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