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Defense decisions: Limit engagements or build strength?--Exchanges preview budget battles
The Washington Times ^ | October 14, 2010 | Shaun Waterman

Posted on 10/14/2010 6:22:15 PM PDT by jazusamo

A tug of war over defense spending this week harbingers budget conflicts to come as the irresistible force of rising military costs meets the immovable object of growing fiscal deficits.

On the one hand, a group of mostly Democratic lawmakers is urging the president's commission on reducing the national debt to consider wide-ranging cuts to the defense budget as a way to eliminate the deficit by 2015 — the commission's goal. For this group, such cuts are at the heart of a strategic effort to scale back America's global role and husband the nation's limited resources at a time of economic uncertainty.

"I've been for some time a critic of America's excessive military engagement with the rest of the world," Rep. Barney Frank, Massachusetts Democrat, told reporters.

Mr. Frank and 56 other lawmakers, including Rep. Ron Paul, Texas Republican, wrote this week to the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform — the blue-ribbon panel charged with recommending ways to eliminate the gap between the federal government's spending and income by 2015.

"Instead of protecting us against a clear and determined foe and enemy," the letter says, "Defense Department planning and strategic objectives now focus on stemming the emergence of new threats by maintaining a vast range of global commitments … We believe that such commitments need to be scaled back."

One the other hand, three conservative think tanks unveiled a report this month arguing that a strong military that could keep peace throughout the world is the essential foundation of American prosperity.

"Strength, not weakness, brings the true peace dividend in a global economy," wrote Arthur C. Brooks, president of the American Enterprise Institute; Edwin J. Feulner, president of the Heritage Foundation; and William Kristol, a director of the Foreign Policy Initiative.

"Faced with a nuclear Iran,..

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: defense; democrats; frank; isolationists
The Democrats and pacifists do not learn from history and WWII was not that far back in history.
1 posted on 10/14/2010 6:22:18 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo
I think "limiting engagements" is a good idea, if we can get our enemies to agree. Piece of paper's better than war, right?


2 posted on 10/14/2010 6:28:00 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: jazusamo
I think it's complicated. My basic feeling is that the military should be able to break things and kill people. This nation-building stuff can result in expensive long-term commitments, and I'm not sure it's a good idea. I like the idea of hitting fast, hitting hard, and coming home.

But part of that, I would say, involves a willingness to attack any target at all. We firebombed Toyko in 1945. Many women and children died. If we are unwilling to do that to a city like Tehran, then we have to really rethink what we think our military is for -- perhaps the nation is more comfortable with the nation-building role, and less comfortable with the "breaking things" role.

3 posted on 10/14/2010 6:29:25 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: Steely Tom

Too bad he’s not still around to clue some of his fellow pacifists in on his stupidity.


4 posted on 10/14/2010 6:31:00 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I believe we have to have a trained and adequate military and be willing to attack any target to remain free, that would save many lives in the long, IMO.


5 posted on 10/14/2010 6:34:55 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

long = long run


6 posted on 10/14/2010 6:36:48 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
Isn't the only thing our Congress is to spend our money on, per our Constitution, is Defense? I am asking about our original Constitution, not the living Constitution the democRATs always speak of.
7 posted on 10/14/2010 6:44:35 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform)
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To: jazusamo
Too bad he’s not still around to clue some of his fellow pacifists in on his stupidity.

Well, I don't know what he said on the subject after he was replaced by Churchill, but if he's like most of his ilk, he would swear that he did the right thing, that the Munich Agreement would have averted war but for a whole list of excuses that he'd be glad to bend your ear off about until you dropped dead of boredom.

8 posted on 10/14/2010 6:46:26 PM PDT by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: no-to-illegals

Yeah, I believe it’s worded something like to provide for the common defense and general welfare but the majority of our legislators over the years have come to consider the welfare part more important.


9 posted on 10/14/2010 6:56:20 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

But there is a middle ground, Neville Chamberlain is one extreme, but on the other hand their is the example of France, once the mightiest nation in Europe. But generations of such military adventurers as Louis XIV and Napoleon sapped the blood and treasure of the nation until the desiccated nation was unequal to the supreme test in 1940. Preserving necessary military strength also includes the long-term preservation of it by not overusing and overextending it.


10 posted on 10/14/2010 6:56:40 PM PDT by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: Steely Tom
but if he's like most of his ilk, he would swear that he did the right thing,

No doubt you're correct and many on the Hill now have followed his example.

11 posted on 10/14/2010 6:58:41 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
My interpretation of the ‘general welfare’ portion was founded in the common defense, for without common defense there is no ‘general welfare’, therefore imho the ‘general welfare’ was provided in our Constitution to promote and pay only for ‘common defense’. I do believe the original Constitution has been skewed from its original intent...mho
12 posted on 10/14/2010 7:05:06 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

You make a valid point. Over the centuries the defense of a nation has changed, the world is a much smaller place. More countries have the means to supply their military’s with the necessities and that’s even more reason to maintain an adequate military and fall into the state we fell into in the 1930’s while at the same time not over extending.


13 posted on 10/14/2010 7:07:47 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: no-to-illegals

I believe you’re correct but I also believe too many politicians don’t interpret it that way and you’re absolutely right that the original Constitution’s intent has been skewed.


14 posted on 10/14/2010 7:12:30 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
too many politicians don’t interpret it that way

so true, and therein is our problem(s).

15 posted on 10/14/2010 7:17:41 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Bless and Protect Our Men and Women in Uniform)
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