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New Lame Duck Threat to Bailout Union Pensions
Human Events ^ | 10/08/2010 | Connie Hair

Posted on 10/11/2010 3:20:57 PM PDT by bronkburnett

Democrats in the Senate on Thursday held a recess hearing covering a taxpayer bailout of union pensions and a plan to seize private 401(k) plans to more "fairly" distribute taxpayer-funded pensions to everyone.

Sen. Tom Harkin (D-Iowa), Chairman of the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee heard from hand-picked witnesses advocating the infamous "Guaranteed Retirement Account" (GRA) authored by Theresa Guilarducci.

(You can find the blistering interview with Guilarducci by radio talk show host Mark Levin in 2007 at the link).

In a nutshell, under the GRA system government would seize private 401(k) accounts, setting up an additional 5% mandatory payroll tax to dole out a "fair" pension to everyone using that confiscated money coupled with the mandated contributions. This would, of course, be a sister government ponzi scheme working in tandem with Social Security, the primary purpose being to give big government politicians additional taxpayer funds to raid to pay for their out-of-control spending.

(Excerpt) Read more at humanevents.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 401kgovttakeover; pensionfundbailout; socialism; unionbailout
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1 posted on 10/11/2010 3:21:04 PM PDT by bronkburnett
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To: bronkburnett

This will never happen!


2 posted on 10/11/2010 3:24:59 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide
If this does happen, expect the markets to crash as frantic people (including myself) scramble to clean out 401k and IRA accounts, pay the penalties and taxes and buy Swiss Francs and gold...
3 posted on 10/11/2010 3:28:01 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington
It will never pass the Senate. The Republicans will filibuster this bill till it dies if it goes forward. So it will be a no-go from the get-go.
4 posted on 10/11/2010 3:37:17 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: rawhide
This will never happen!

They did it in Argentina.

Yes, they won't be seizing 401k's here anytime soon, but this union pension bailout piece is definitely something they are trying to do.

If the social welfare state indeed begins to implode, there is really no telling what the government will try to do.

5 posted on 10/11/2010 3:39:14 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: bronkburnett

They may want to do this, but even the Democrats are not this stupid. It is not going to happen.


6 posted on 10/11/2010 3:39:37 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN (California does not have a money problem, it has a spending problem.)
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To: rawhide
Um... would those be the same Republicans that filibustered ObamaCare, The Wise Latina, Kegan the Ghost, FinReg, etc....? Jest wondern.
7 posted on 10/11/2010 3:39:50 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: rawhide
And... if you are incorrect... my retirement money disappears? I'm not sure I want to take that bet, my Freepin Friend!
8 posted on 10/11/2010 3:41:21 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington

I believe those are the Republicans........


9 posted on 10/11/2010 3:43:15 PM PDT by yadent
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To: April Lexington
If this does happen, expect the markets to crash

There'll be a few of these flying around as well.

10 posted on 10/11/2010 3:43:46 PM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: bronkburnett

Ask yourself: what limit would a 4 year old place on himself given that he had unlimited power and resources and no chance of punishment and - voila - you have all of the restraint and wisdom of Government.

I’ve always been suspicious of 401k plans because the Government will eventually take them. Could be 20-30 years from now, but eventually they will look at all of that money and they will confiscate it. Roth IRAs, too.

It’s just a matter of time.

I would only trust a Constitutional Amendment that is very specifically worded and relates directly to IRAs. But that won’t happen.


11 posted on 10/11/2010 3:44:09 PM PDT by Noamie
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To: bronkburnett

“Bailout” is a noun.


12 posted on 10/11/2010 3:44:53 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (In Edward Kennedy's America, federal funding of brothels is a right, not a privilege.)
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To: yadent

I mean the same Republican squids.....


13 posted on 10/11/2010 3:44:57 PM PDT by yadent
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To: bronkburnett
If the unions can't keep their pensions afloat, where do they get all the money to fund Democrats in the millions of dollars?
14 posted on 10/11/2010 3:45:35 PM PDT by capt. norm (Never underestimate the power of very stupid people in large groups.)
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To: bronkburnett

They touch the 401Ks or IRAs and the shooting starts.


15 posted on 10/11/2010 3:49:09 PM PDT by meyer (Tax the productive to carry the freeloaders - What is it with democrats and slavery?)
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So it will be a no-go from the get-go.

Ya think? The dem's seem to believe they can deem anything passed these days..

16 posted on 10/11/2010 3:50:15 PM PDT by Michael Barnes (Guilty of being White.)
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To: meyer
The unions took pension funds from members, spent them on getting the democrap scum elected, and now the criminal scum in the democrap party are going to pay back the union pension funds to prevent the union thugs from being put under the jails.

You won't feel it as they inflate your dollars to no value because; the thugs party will not tap your retirement funds directly, merely devalue them so severely to give funds fromt he general fund to the union thuggery. But you will be paying for it, one way or the other, you just won't know it directly.

And still no one is building the needed guillotines

17 posted on 10/11/2010 3:53:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: bronkburnett

Screw that! Up their dues...to 40% of take-home.


18 posted on 10/11/2010 3:56:41 PM PDT by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: Longbow1969

Suppose a guy is a farmer and never sets up a 401K, IRA etc. but keeps buying land with his extra funds,,are these tali-ban wannabes going to take part of his land to satisfy their scheme?? hmmmmm


19 posted on 10/11/2010 4:13:18 PM PDT by Waco (From Seward to Sarah)
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To: Waco
Suppose a guy is a farmer and never sets up a 401K, IRA etc. but keeps buying land with his extra funds,,are these tali-ban wannabes going to take part of his land to satisfy their scheme?? hmmmmm

The left will do whatever it has to do to prop up the social welfare state. The only question is how wedded are the American people to it. Evidence seems to indicate we are getting close and closer to a majority in this country that have become dependent on handouts in some way.

I would not put it past the government to seize land, but we are probably a long way from such a thing. The lefitists will look for pots of money they can raid first.

20 posted on 10/11/2010 4:18:20 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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