Posted on 10/10/2010 4:35:29 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
Carl Paladino says it’s not okay to be gay.
"There is nothing to be proud of in being a dysfunctional homosexual," the Republican gubernatorial candidate told a small Hasidic group at K’hal Adas Kasho synagogue in Williamsburg today.
"That's not how god created us, and that's not the example that we should be showing our children."
Paladino, who has made his opposition to the gay marriage and "the homosexual agenda" clear, went much further yesterday, to say children "would be much better off and much more successful getting married and raising a family" than being gay."
"And I don't want them to be brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is an equally valid and successful option," he said. "It isn't."
The speech came just days after the suicide of a gay Rutgers student and an anti-gay gang attack in the Bronx.
His Democratic opponent, Andrew Cuomo, blasted the remarks as "stunning homophobia and a glaring disregard for basic equality."
A campaign spokesman said "These comments along with other views he has espoused make it clear that he is way out of the mainstream a
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Well, we are discussing, among other people, one Paul, student of Rabban Gamaliel ben Hillel, so it seemed apropos. Moreover, I quoted not only R. Hillel, but also R. Akiva, whom you did not respond on.
Hillel would never have argued that the ritual commandments and taboos are essentially unimportant or meaningless, nor would he reduce the Torah to purely rational morality, as you well know.
And neither would the Jewish authors of the New Testament. These were men, after all, who kept the Sabbath--including limiting themselves to the prescribed Sabbath's day journey--observed the Feasts, worshipped daily in the Temple and in the synagogues at the prescribed prayer times, took Nazrite vows and offered sacrifices, circumcised their sons, were mindful of ritual purity and took care to purify themselves before entering the holy precincts, etc.
In fact, they were so mindful of ritual purity, that it took a direct vision from the Holy One to even jumpstart the Gentile mission, and figuring out how to integrate the Gentiles into Nazrene Judaism without compromising the Torah was the major issue that they struggled with.
If you wish to criticize their decision, then you must also repudiate traditional Judaism's concept of the Noachide.
Shalom.
•Galatians 5:14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: "Love your neighbor as yourself."
Is Paul also a disciple of Alistar Crowley???
The heck?
I know. I feel sad about it. It's so frustrating. Ad hominem attacks that are quite filthy and obscene, telling me how I supposedly believe, when I was only trying to stand up for innocent kids.
Your posting here is for not just a response to posters who really don’t want a ‘response’ or a discussion. They want to vent their own inner demons and rage and insecurities.
Posters who may disagree with a post and are rational, courteous and secure in their own sexuality and relationships are able to have their values, opinions and perspectives and share those without ugly comments.
To continue to try to keep a civil discourse is to educate those who lurk or just aren’t posting on information and also how to behave in a discussion.
Whenever there is ANY post on sexuality..anything related to that...some people really go off. For some reason this type of vitriole and disgusting language is tolerated on Freeper when it is never tolerated with other topics.
These posters always remind me of the song “Who let the dogs out?”
"The logic is: Since "love" does no harm to its neighbor, love fulfills the law."
***The entire law is summed up in*** = ***fulfills***
That is my paraphrase of Paul, who said:
“•Galatians 5:14 The entire law is summed up in a single command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” “
AND
•Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Therefore,
My comment was: “The logic is: Since “love” does no harm to its neighbor, love fulfills the law.”
You are still arguing with Paul and not with me. It seems that Romans 13:10 is uncomfortable for you.
Let me assure you that the Apostle Paul did not know Alister Crowley (sp).
“Rabbi, which is the greatest commandment in the law?”Love is the whole of the Torah--the specific commandments simply detail how we are to go about loving God and our neighbor. Saying, "Love fulfills the Law," in this context is not an abrogation of its details, but a summary of its heart.Yeshua said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the first and great commandment. A second likewise is this, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ The whole Torah and the Prophets depend on these two commandments.” (Mat. 22:36-40)
But my "The heck?" remains, as in, Where the heck do you get off comparing a true Christian and bearer of the Spirit to a Satanist? "Whoever shall say, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of the fire of Gehinnom" (Mat. 5:22)--and you've done far worse than calling him a fool. Since you seem to think it right to judge a man by every word that comes out of his keyboard, may the Holy One judge between you and him!
Rom 13:99 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Yeshua's sacrifice was the ultimate expression of love: "Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends" (John 15:13).
Xzins' statement still stands as the summary of the Torah.
LB, you copy/pasted Rom 13:9 that says: "9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Verse 10 simply repeats by way of summarization all of verse 9. It is so evident from just a simple reading. "For this" is a preposition with an object "this". There is then a list with comma's. Each of those commandments in that list is appositive to the direct object "this." We have a conditional clause preceded by "if" that says any other commandment fits into the foregoing list, also. That entire prepositional clause is summed in the subject of the sentence "it." "It" is the entire body of commandments. The predicate of the sentence is: "is comprehended". Paul wants to be sure everyone understands he is summarizing all those commandments so he uses the adverb "briefly." The verb "is comprehended" is a verb + a preposition "in" so it is followed by an object also. That object is "saying." The saying is "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."
In this sentence, Paul is saying that all of the commandments are briefly understood in the saying about loving one's neighbor.
To clarify, so that he is not misunderstood, Paul adds verse 10:
Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
I've deconstructed the sentence for you. As it stands, you keep disagreeing with the Apostle Paul and not with me. Paul precedes both you and Alister Crowley by about 2 millenia.
I think I'll go with the Apostle Paul.
>>Xzins’ statement still stands as the summary of the Torah.
So the answer is - you DON’T differentiate between what you’re peddling and the perversion of the Gospel used by segments of the ELCA to condone homosexuality.
NO SALE.
Why is it that a true, scriptural brother in Christ is getting attacked for standing up for the clear meaning of scripture?
You are free to rip those pages from your Bible, LomanBill, but you are going beyond that: you are accusing one brother of perversion and me of Satanism.
All for reading what clearly is in the Bible text.
Rom 1:25-27
25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator — who is forever praised. Amen.26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
NIV
Thanks
Indeed. Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear brother in Christ!
I’m wondering if you’re trying to ‘judaize’ Christians! Once a soul brings the brokena nd contrite spirit to the healing deliverance offered as the Grcae of God in Christ, living a life aligned with ‘the law’ requires two things: love the Lord your God with all you are, and love your neighbor as yourself. Picking at nits seems somehow a regression, not enlightenment.
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