We prefer the term "Northerner." Just like I'm sure Southerners would prefer to be called by terms they choose, rather than others thought up for them by other people.
Seems you forgot that the Federal Govt removed the Cherokee not the south.
That was the government controlled by Jackson and Southern Democrats. And in fact, Georgia and other Southern states pushed for Cherokee removal before the federal government got involved. Pressure from Southern states and politicians was why the federal government got involved. Georgia sought authority over the Cherokee in order to expel them and began to deport Creek Indians before the federal government had anything to do with the matter.
At the same time this occured the states of MO, KY, MD, DE were also slave owning states.
Sure, and they were considered Southern states at the time. Later on they didn't join the Confederacy, but the Confederacy certainly wanted control over them. That's because they thought those states were Southern.
Further, the states of IN, IL, OH, MI had laws on the books outlawing blacks from their state.
Which may or may not have been enforced. Shameful laws by today's standards, but not worse than the slave codes of the slave states, which were enforced with a vengeance.
Just remember who had no experience with blacks in 1860 and you might find those who had very bizarre illusions concerning the realities of slavery and the black population at large.
Try reading some early Southern "sociology" and come back and tell us just who had "very bizarre illusions concerning the realities of slavery and the Black population at large.
So of the states remaining with the union in 1860, 4 were slave owning states, 4 had laws on the books outlawing blacks from settling in their confines, and all of 7 were non-slave owning states.
And I thought I was bad at math ...
Your anti-slavery crusade falls apart once you know the facts. Lincoln desparately used it to solidify his position to re-unify the union that he broke.
"The union that he broke"? Read a little history. Southerners could have put up with Lincoln and put their man in 4 or 8 years later. Instead they broke the union and killed the old republic.
This is the of yankee sainthood. Spare me the condesending projection.
I will spare you condescending projection.
Here's the thing. Whatever high and mighty attitudes you object to in Northerners you guys equal here everyday. Whatever self-righteousness you've been subjected to, doesn't exceed what I see here everyday from Confederate fanatics.
Saying every darned day about how awful Lincoln was and how the North destroyed liberty and made us all slaves -- doesn't that qualify as self-righteous and condescending? Or is it only true statements that sting?
How to kill 10% of the military aged men of a country in 4 years? Lauch a crusade for the benefit of the commercial interests of a region. What is the difference between slavery and ghettoized immigrants paid sub-living standard wages? If the North could not rely Irish immigrants, the war would have been over in two years with recognition of the Confederacy. Then the absorption of MD, DE, MO, and KY into the Confederacy would have occurred, leaving the midwest wondering if they really had any ties to New England.