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How to kill 10% of the military aged men of a country in 4 years? Lauch a crusade for the benefit of the commercial interests of a region. What is the difference between slavery and ghettoized immigrants paid sub-living standard wages? If the North could not rely Irish immigrants, the war would have been over in two years with recognition of the Confederacy. Then the absorption of MD, DE, MO, and KY into the Confederacy would have occurred, leaving the midwest wondering if they really had any ties to New England.


266 posted on 10/11/2010 6:52:28 AM PDT by equalitybeforethelaw
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
How to kill 10% of the military aged men of a country in 4 years? Lauch a crusade for the benefit of the commercial interests of a region.

I agree that it was a really pig-headed idea. I wish the south hadn't have done it and should be roundly condemned for it.

What is the difference between slavery and ghettoized immigrants paid sub-living standard wages?

Jeebus, you can't tell the difference?!

If the North could not rely Irish immigrants, the war would have been over in two years with recognition of the Confederacy. Then the absorption of MD, DE, MO, and KY into the Confederacy would have occurred, leaving the midwest wondering if they really had any ties to New England.

Irrelevant and unprovable. There's no way you could know that any more than if Lee had done the honorable thing and not turned his back on his country, killing the rebellion before it could take hold.

268 posted on 10/11/2010 10:48:50 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now)
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To: equalitybeforethelaw
How to kill 10% of the military aged men of a country in 4 years? Lauch a crusade for the benefit of the commercial interests of a region.

True enough. That's exactly what the slaveowning leaders of the Confederacy did.

What is the difference between slavery and ghettoized immigrants paid sub-living standard wages?

Spoken like a true Marxist. Even low wage jobs provided people with the income to work their way out of poverty, and you could move around if you didn't like any particular job.

A highly skilled slave could buy his or her way out of slavery if his or her master would agree, but most couldn't. That's quite different from the condition of the Northern poor at the time.

In any case, you're railing against the wrong people. Blame the English who kept the Irish in destitution, not the Americans who gave them jobs. Or maybe the comparison between the British in Ireland and the slaveowners int the Old South is too close.

If the North could not rely Irish immigrants, the war would have been over in two years with recognition of the Confederacy. Then the absorption of MD, DE, MO, and KY into the Confederacy would have occurred, leaving the Midwest wondering if they really had any ties to New England.

Sort of like they wondered in 1860 if they really had any ties to the South? Ties between East and West were more solid than those between North and South by that point, yet the rest of country still wasn't willing to write off the South.

In any case, would it have been a good thing for the country to shatter, for North and South, East and West to go their separate ways? That you apparently think so, says a lot about you.

269 posted on 10/12/2010 1:02:57 PM PDT by x
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