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Politicians Exploit Economic Ignorance
Townhall ^ | October 06, 2010 | Walter E. Williams

Posted on 10/06/2010 11:20:25 PM PDT by george76

One of President Obama's campaign promises was not to raise taxes on middle-class Americans. So here's my question: If there's a corporate tax increase either in the form of "cap and trade" or income tax, does it turn out to be a middle-class tax increase? Most people would say no but let's look at it.

There's a whole subject area in economics known as tax incidence -- namely, who bears the burden of a tax? The first thing that should be recognized is that the burden of a tax is not necessarily borne by the party upon whom it is levied. That is, for example, if a sales tax is levied on gasoline retailers, they don't bear the full burden of the tax. Part of it is shifted to customers in the form of higher gasoline prices.

What about the politician who tells us that he's not going to raise taxes on the middle class; instead, he's going to raise corporate income taxes as means to get rich corporations to pay their rightful share of government? If a tax is levied on a corporation, and if it is to survive, it will have one of three responses, or some combination thereof. One response is to raise the price of its product, so who bears the burden? Another response is to lower dividends; again, who bears the burden? Yet another response is to lay off workers. In each case, it is people, not some legal fiction called a corporation, who bear the burden of the tax.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: economicignorance; economics; socialism; taxes

1 posted on 10/06/2010 11:20:27 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76

The worst part is that the MSM has abandoned any semblance of independent reporting/analysis.


2 posted on 10/06/2010 11:45:04 PM PDT by RepublicanMeansAmerican
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To: george76
Good clip! Read the 1st 3 paragraphs - its all correct - except if the Bush tax cuts expire even the much beloved "tax refunds" will disappear as well ... ;-(
Bump!
3 posted on 10/06/2010 11:48:17 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: george76
instead, he's going to raise corporate income taxes as means to get rich corporations to pay their rightful share of government? If a tax is levied on a corporation, and if it is to survive, it will have one of three responses, or some combination thereof. One response is to raise the price of its product, so who bears the burden?

No, no, no, no, NO Walter...
What kind of pinhead "economist" are you anyway?
Raising price is NOT an option...
In a competitive marketplace, price is determined strictly by supply and demand.
If they were capable of raising the price of their product in the marketplace, they should've been doing it anyway, regardless of the tax rate, to maximize shareholder profit.

Another response is to lower dividends; again, who bears the burden?

Well a corporate income tax is a confiscation of a portion of corporate profits, so it makes sense that they might lower the dividend. Of course the shareholders could always vote that they maintain the dividend and lower "retained earnings" instead, so that's no problem.

Yet another response is to lay off workers.

They always pick that one because the CEOs never cut their own salaries. But they're the ones who are overpaid and overrated. The stockholders should put the squeeze on those doubletalking conartists instead of the workers.

4 posted on 10/07/2010 3:15:32 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
In a competitive marketplace, price is determined strictly by supply and demand.

Changes in a supplier's cost structure can shift the entire supply curve, raising prices that way. Same thing holds for your other points.

5 posted on 10/07/2010 3:30:47 AM PDT by TimSkalaBim
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To: TimSkalaBim
Corporate Income Tax isn't a "cost".
It's a confiscation of a portion of the profit (if any) that's made after costs are deducted from revenue.
6 posted on 10/07/2010 3:38:37 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
Corporate Income Tax isn't a "cost". It's a confiscation of a portion of the profit (if any) that's made after costs are deducted from revenue.

Yes, however a corp is only going to be motivated to produce its products in exchange for a certain profit level. Hence, if taxes go up, prices go up (or products stop disappearing from the market).

7 posted on 10/07/2010 4:14:56 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: Willie Green
Raising price is NOT an option... In a competitive marketplace, price is determined strictly by supply and demand.

I am no economist, but if you raise taxes on an entire sector, the prices charged by that sector will reflect the cost increase.

It isn't a question of just competition in the marketplace if all the vendors are similarly affected.

8 posted on 10/07/2010 4:20:53 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: The Duke
Yes, however a corp is only going to be motivated to produce its products in exchange for a certain profit level. Hence, if taxes go up, prices go up (or products stop disappearing from the market).

So marginal products with the least demand get squeezed out of the market...
So what???
That's how the market works anyway...
Let the losers go bellyup. No sense subsidizing them with a tax break.

9 posted on 10/07/2010 4:48:49 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green

“Let the losers go bellyup. No sense subsidizing them with a tax break.”
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I hear that Blue is running a sale on clues Willie, BUY ONE, PLEASE!


10 posted on 10/07/2010 5:47:11 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Clem Hussein Kadiddlehopper would be a vast improvement.)
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To: TimSkalaBim; Willie Green

Yes, Tim is right. A Tax shifts the cost curve UP, and Price increases.

Willie, you are also right - Price does rise - but then Quantity demanded falls.

That is why you ‘can’ raise price in a competitive market... you’ll lose sales (Qd).

:(

“Thanks, Government”


11 posted on 10/07/2010 6:22:24 AM PDT by 4Liberty ( How do you spell "moral hazard"?: $ 19, 0 0 0, 0 0 0, 0 0 0, 0 0 0.)
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To: Willie Green
That's how the market works anyway...
Let the losers go bellyup. No sense subsidizing them with a tax break.


Do you really think this is how a market works?

Businesses getting "taxed" out of existence is normal to you? Willie, this is NOT how the market works! This is how economies are COLLAPSED!

So called "marginal" products are usually the newer, and often BETTER, products! Taxes help deter development and advances because it is so dang hard to get into the marketplace! THAT is how taxes work to undermine the market!

Ronald Reagan said it best: "The government’s view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."

Most people don't understand that it was the first two steps (taxes and regulation) that CAUSED the business to stagnate and stop moving and THAT is when they decide to "cut taxes" to subsidize the product! Deciding NOT to tax the industry into submission and destruction is NOT subsidizing, THAT is how a MARKET flourishes and grows - something our current group of representative idiots in D.C., and apparently you, do not understand!
12 posted on 10/07/2010 8:42:57 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Hey Congress: Go Conservative or Go home!)
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To: george76
THAT is how LIBERALS stay in position.

They EXPLOIT IGNORANCE and keep the sheeple IGNORANT.

Our PUBLIC schools and most of academia also keeps attendees IGNORANT. If you were allowed to have FACTS and KNOWLEDGE we wouldn't be in the condition we are in today. It's an accumulation of godless liberalism being indoctrinated and promoted that keeps them in any sort of position of power.

13 posted on 10/07/2010 11:42:12 AM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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