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Push to halt foreclosures gains steam (Stop paying your mortgages, FREE HOUSING FOR ALL!)
cnn ^ | 10/5/2010 | staff

Posted on 10/05/2010 3:51:19 PM PDT by tobyhill

Pressure is mounting on U.S. banks to halt more foreclosures amid widespread allegations that loan servicers failed to verify legal documents in what could be hundreds of thousands of cases.

Members of Congress from California wrote to the heads of the Justice Department, the Federal Reserve, and the Comptroller of the Currency on Tuesday, requesting that they investigate the foreclosure processes of banks under their purview for "possible violations of law or regulations."

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To: tobyhill

“Show me the example where foreclosing on a house broke the law?”

There are tens of thousands of examples. JPMorganChase admitted their employees did not read the 56,000 foreclosure packages they processed. Those documents were submitted as legal evidence where they attested to having knowledge of the case and avowed to their accuracy.

Then there’s the mortgages where the banks cannot find the original paperwork because it was destroyed, but they claim it was lost.

Then there are the foreclosures which were done on homes the banks didn’t hold a mortgage on.

“No one is defending them but what they are doing for a couple mistakes”

yes you are. They broke the law and should be subject to RICO laws.

Those ‘deadbeats’ are now largely people who have become unemployed because of the economy. The economy is in this state because the govt (BO) wanted to slow it down, and the banks committed massive fraud.

Why are you defending these big banks who are largely run by socialists?


21 posted on 10/05/2010 4:20:39 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: oldtimer
How stupid of me to have scrimped and saved and denied ourselves many luxuries to pay off the mortgage.
22 posted on 10/05/2010 4:21:13 PM PDT by bgill (K Parliament- how could a young man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: tobyhill; TennesseeProfessor

“Just because he signed off on 10,000 of these foreclosure doesn’t mean they were bad foreclosures.”

It means the bank committed a crime and the law was not followed.

Why do you think its ok for banks to break the law?


23 posted on 10/05/2010 4:23:15 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: tobyhill

Don’t people think by now after we bailed out the banks that would stop the bankers from being greedy and not coming forward with phony foreclosure documents which have been forged.That in itself is FRAUD and all the bankers want their cake and eat it to just like the federal no reserve who has no reserves and has NO money but what they create from nothing.Americans are being robbed and played for fools daily by bankers and the greedy “us” government who got the country in this mess to BEGIN with.The American people sure aren’t the us governments girlfriend but they sure are the governments cash cow and slave.


24 posted on 10/05/2010 4:23:30 PM PDT by taxtruth
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To: Pearls Before Swine
“Meanwhile, a local contractor hired “to secure the property for Bank of America” has accepted responsibility for the mistake in Texas, Simon said.”

How again is this the bank's fault?

The other 2 cases have yet to be judicated.

25 posted on 10/05/2010 4:24:15 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

“If the Servicer wasn’t the banks themselves then I don’t blame the bank and the banks are not designed to protect everyone from bad middlemen. “

The servicer works for the bank. The banks are most certainly legally liable for everything the servicer does related to the mortgage being serviced.


26 posted on 10/05/2010 4:24:59 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: tobyhill

“How again is this the bank’s fault?”

Because the contractor was working for the bank.


27 posted on 10/05/2010 4:27:19 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: pnh102

Sure but what percentage are problematic? This is laying the groundwork for another bailout. In the name of saving the borrowers, we will actually be......

BAILING OUT THE BANKS AGAIN!!!! This is like Obama beating up on Goldman—misdicrection—what a sham.


28 posted on 10/05/2010 4:28:21 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: driftdiver

Then prosecute the perpetrator of the crime but there’s no need to reward people that deserve the foreclosure.

The quicker the banks can get the people out of the homes they couldn’t afford the quicker the economy will recover.

If there are no foreclosures then people don’t have to pay their mortgages.


29 posted on 10/05/2010 4:28:38 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
From what I read on this recently, some banks are utilizing 'robo-signers' in their mortgage departments, and rubber stamping foreclosures by the thousands in some cases, when they're supposed to be reviewing - by law - each individual case. I work in banking IT (for the moment), and I can tell you that for every honest person employed, there is always a blue-ribbon sleazebag counterpart. I can easily envision a few cretins going overboard and trying to kick people out en masse. That's why we bank at a small-town bank - we know them, they know us, and there's a level of trust you're not going to get with one of the Big Four.

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: for men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away, for his name is Obama."

30 posted on 10/05/2010 4:30:02 PM PDT by Viking2002 (2010 - NO PRISONERS! NO QUARTER!)
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To: driftdiver

Then the courts will rectify the situation and believe me, the people will walk away in pretty good shape.


31 posted on 10/05/2010 4:30:40 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
OK, here's another: New Bedford Couple has Florida Home Foreclosed

It isn't a major problem because property recording is pretty strong, and I think it should stay that way.

I don't believe that people should ever get a free house because of a paperwork error, but I also believe the paperwork should be correct. The most likely outcome IMHO will be that for these MBS securities that have a pool of mortages, due diligence will be required to convince the courts just who it is that the money is owed to, and it will both cost time ( a couple of years) and money (a couple of percent) to perform that due diligence.

That will further drive down the value of the mortgage backed securities, since most of them are under water. In the meantime, the home won't get much maintenance, further impairing its value. It's a real mess.

32 posted on 10/05/2010 4:34:46 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Viking2002

In every state there are required notifications that go out to the homeowners of the bank’s foreclosure intent and then there’s remedies the homeowners can go through to make sure that their rights were observed.


33 posted on 10/05/2010 4:35:34 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill

All foreclosures should be on the correct property and the laws should be followed.

If forclosures are halted it will be the end of the American city. No one will pay property taxes if they aren’t paying their mortgages.

I bet in my county, 25% of the people would decide to stop making their house payments, spend the money on something else. Lorain County, Ohio.


34 posted on 10/05/2010 4:37:04 PM PDT by FarmerW ( - Milton Friedman - The government solution to a problem is usually as bad as the problem.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Sounds like they have a cause of action but I’m not for rewarding the hundred’s of thousands of deadbeats for a mistake or two.


35 posted on 10/05/2010 4:40:02 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
Sounds like they have a cause of action but I’m not for rewarding the hundred’s of thousands of deadbeats for a mistake or two.

Neither am I. I don't think a permanent foreclosure halt would be even remotely justifiable. But, whether there is one, or there isn't, this is a big dollar issue.

Some of the commentary (check out Karl Denninger's posts at Market Ticker) discusses the record keeping problems. When a mortgage goes through multiple sales on its way to a pool, it's important to keep track of who really owns it. There are some other cases (not many, I know, but some) of multiple people claiming ownership of the original secured note. That's not good, either.

If you have a situation where someone can show up at court for a foreclosure order and get it without real proof of ownership, you are going to get a different sort of parasite looking to confiscate property--mark my words. This needs to be worked out... and I think it will be. Unfortunately, it will take time, and time is money. By the way, didn't the FED buy a trillion or so of these securities last year?

36 posted on 10/05/2010 4:48:46 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: tobyhill

“Then prosecute the perpetrator of the crime but there’s no need to reward people that deserve the foreclosure.”

Sure, but is it any bank that you will allow to foreclose? Or should you limit foreclosure to the bank that owns the title? Many times the banks cannot prove they have a legal right to foreclose, which is why they are forging the documents.


37 posted on 10/05/2010 4:49:14 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: tobyhill
I just want to see the example where the wrong house was foreclosed on?

here

Just because he signed off on 10,000 of these foreclosure doesn’t mean they were bad foreclosures.

Fake but accurate? Do you think perjury should be punished?

38 posted on 10/05/2010 4:49:39 PM PDT by TennesseeProfessor
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To: PGR88
The US is steadily become a lawless country. Politics is paramount, and contracts and property rights are gradually becoming worthless.

We agree. So here are a few real proposals that could be done if we had the will. Halt all foreclosures and let people pay what they can afford. Jail the lenders and legislators who got us ALL into this mess. Zeroize all debts so people can rebuild their credit. Cut taxes so people have money to spend and reignite the economy. Stop government spending by giving to the states all those things the Constitution says the federal government cannot do. Finally, issue a gold-based currency that can control inflation.

39 posted on 10/05/2010 4:51:06 PM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama - Arrogant, blaming, incompetent, anti-American, Muslim,racist, and Marxist....Is that enough?)
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To: tobyhill
Here you go tobyhill..many more available on request.

No Mortgage, Still Foreclosed? Bank of America Sued for Seizing Wrong Homes

40 posted on 10/05/2010 4:53:07 PM PDT by Chunga85 ("Foreclosure Fraud", TARP, "Mortgage Crisis", Bailout)
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