Guns cleared for Hometown Fair(CA)

easyreadernews.com ^ | 29 September, 2010 | Andrea Ruse

[marktwain]

“It’s outrageous and preposterous for a group like this to dictate and define what is Catholic religious practice or education,” said Tod Tamberg, media relations director for the Archdiocese of Los Angeles, of which American Martyrs is a parish. “Religious formation is an intricate part of Catholic education all across the world and in Manhattan Beach. Where kids are is where education is — if in our church, then that’s educational at that time.”

It is outrageous for a religious leader to attempt to subvert Constitutional rights by twisting already heavy infringements into whatever they want them to mean. This already falls under conspiracy to deny Constitutional rights as far as I can see. The whole idea that rights can be denied because someone is merely within a thousand feet of a school is insane.

[MarineBrat]

Glad to see this happening in a liberal stronghold like Manhattan Beach.

[pops88]

I’m really, really glad I live in AZ.

[MarineBrat]

I’ve considered Wyoming or something like that. Arizona is a little too close to the illegal invaders for me.

[pops88]

“Arizona is a little too close to the illegal invaders for me.”

I live in the far north, pretty much in the middle of no where. My big decision is open or concealed :) And sometimes mine, my daughter’s or my husband’s.

[disclaimer]

State law permits people to openly carry unloaded firearms in public places, subject to inspection by authorities. Ammunition can be carried separately but must not be loaded into the gun. State law restricts open carry within 1,000 feet of schools, according to the Gun-Free School Zone Act adopted in 1995.

So, how many are going to get mugged for their gun since it can be assume that the guns are unloaded? Bad law.

[Carry_Okie]

“They are opening themselves up to a huge lawsuit,” Harley Green, founder of SBOC, said on Monday. “My hope is that by Oct. 2, they will have done their research and uphold the law.

IMO, this kind of "in your face" demonstration does more harm than good compared to the occasional non-chalant appearance of a sidearm. In this political environment, it will only take one insane goofball to get the law changed to banning open carry entirely. Then what will they do?

Further, although they are training law-enforcement in the law (which is a good thing), from the perspective of the LEO, these groups are using the law to throw their weight around. They are thus alienating individual LEOs even further than they already are. These activists need to develop the kind of patient persistence that it takes to win in an culture like this one or they will have taken us a giant step backwards.

From what I've seen, the individual cases in which one guy is arrested for legal carry in what would appear to the average person to be reasonable circumstances and purposes do more good for this cause than this sort of public demonstration.

[Sarajevo]

Uyeda said that open carriers who cross over into the portion of fair grounds that lie within 1,000 feet of American Martyrs will be subject to arrest by MBPD.

I guess we know where the porta-potties will be located.

[Lurker]

Then they’ll sue under Heller.

[Carry_Okie]

Then they’ll sue under Heller.

And ten years later we may see something from it (if there still is a State of California by then).

I think you know I agree with the goal. It is the political means here that I think are counterproductive. Rely upon a court to uphold your rights while ignoring public perceptions and, in the long run, we'll all lose.

There are better means. For example, I think the best thing gun activists have done is teach women about concealed carry. The public demonstrations at ranges with augmented interest in female participation have been effective. Let's put our efforts there instead of making life difficult for the police that we hope to induct as our natural allies.

[Lurker]

I liken your position to those who didn’t want to rock the boat back in the early 60’s when black people were trying to exercise their right to vote. Sometimes the only way to win is to get right in their faces.

[calcowgirl]

There was another long article on the front page of the Beach Reporter this week.
It covered much the same thing:

Open-carry gun debate surrounds Hometown Fair
by Carley Dryden
September 29, 2010

[Carry_Okie]

I liken your position to those who didn’t want to rock the boat back in the early 60’s when black people were trying to exercise their right to vote.

Understand and disagree because of a substantive difference: At that time, most people voted and did not regard the exercise of the right as a threat. Most Californians do not own guns. I would hazard a guess that a majority consider gun ownership a threat to public safety. Giving the media an event to publicize where gun owners are pushing around the police with the law (however justified both in fact and principle) does not create the impression of an oppressed minority deprived of their rights.

Hence, I think yours a bad analogy.

[Lurker]

Bad analogy or no, I’m sick of being pushed around by libs who use both the media and the courts against us. Its time to fight back using their own methods against them.

Some flatfoot arrests you in CA or WI for legal open carry you sue him personally, the Department that hired him, and whatever city, village, town, or burgh chartered said Department into bankruptcy.

[OneWingedShark]

USC, TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 13, § 241. Conspiracy against rights.

If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or

If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway, or on the premises of another, with intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege so secured—

They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, they shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

Now, if the open-carry people are arrested and held against their will does that count as “kidnap” or an attempt? If so, then the arresting officers could be sentenced to DEATH!!

[B4Ranch]

>>police that we hope to induct as our natural allies.<<

LEO’s are not our natural allies when it comes to guns. Every officer on every PD must be educated as to what the US Constitution says because it is NOT discussed at the Police Academy.

[AZ .44 MAG]

Uyeda also requests that no alcohol be consumed by armed individuals and that the group refrain from speaking to minors without parental consent.

Can't have the little ones learn about rights that make the libtards afraid.

Public school instruction about homosexual acts and "safe sex" practices are OK though.

[Carry_Okie]

Some flatfoot arrests you in CA or WI for legal open carry you sue him personally, the Department that hired him, and whatever city, village, town, or burgh chartered said Department into bankruptcy.

I like that part just fine.

[Lurker]

I’d also demand that a Grand Jury be convened to indict these idiot cops under 18USC242.

[Carry_Okie]

I’d also demand that a Grand Jury be convened to indict these idiot cops under 18USC242.

Agree with that too. What I disagree with is deliberately provoking the situation. If you have occasion to wear a gun, by all means do so and have the documentation with which to make the crimes committed against you willful. But organized gatherings for the purpose strike me as counterproductive for the political reasons I said.