Posted on 09/28/2010 8:55:57 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
Russian Naval Aviation Chief: The Navy Should Stay With the Current Fighters
The Russian Navy could fulfill its current requirements for carrier based fighters with current generation fighters, like this MiG-29KUB, delaying the acquisition of a Fifth Generation Fighter to the next decade. Photo: RAC/MiG
“The Russian Naval Aviation is not expecting to replace its carrier-based Su-33 fighters in the current decade. An acquisition of a fifth generation fighter, base on the Sukhoi T-50 or other designs could be considered later in the decade, after the new fighter is proven in land-based service with the Russian Air Force.” Russian news agency RIA Novosti quoted the outgoing chief of the Naval Aviation and Air Defense Forces, Lt. General Valery Uvarov told. The statement made by General Uvarov represents a shift from previous statements by the armed forces command and Defense Ministry about the feasibility of fielding a new naval fighter based on the Sukhoi T.50 design around 2016. While Russia is committed to embark on a fleet expansion plan to include the construction of the several new aircraft carriers to be built throughout the decade, the next generation fighter could be fielded to meet the initial deployment of the new fleet carriers, expected around 2025.
Two MiG-29KUB, marked in Russian and Indian markings are seen here undergoing flight trials on the Russian carrier Admiral Kuznetsov. Photo: RAC/MiG.
Meanwhile, the current Naval fighters are aging. To minimize the deterioration of its Naval Aviation, the Russian Navy plans to spend about $1 billion to field two squadrons with 24 MiG-29K, gradually replacing one squadron of 18 Su-33 and another unit flying Su-25 attack fighters, currently operating on board the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov. The accommodation of more aircraft will be possible by the removal of the P-700 ‘Granit’ anti-ship missiles, currently carried on the Kuznetsov. Such work could be done during the vessels’ next major overhaul, planned for late 2012.
The MiG-29K was developed to meet the requirements of the Indian Navy for a carrier-based fighter. India has ordered 16 fighters and has options to buy 30 more.
Being more realistic about the maturation process of the new fighter, Uvarov would like to see the T-50 fielded with the Air Force, rather than bearing the huge costs associated with the maturation process. Only after the fighter is proven it could be navalized for use on the Russian Navy carriers. “Conditions might be suitable by 2020″ said Uvarov. While being concerned with the cost involved with the T-50 development, Uvarov said that the Russian Navy is not committed to T-50 as the only 5th generation fighter and is ready to consider competing proposals from other manufacturers that traditionally supply naval aviation fighters, including the MiG and Yakovlev design bureaus.
This is interesting... Are we now like the Soviet Union of years past? We can no longer compete with them due to economic problems? It does look similar...
Is this our downfall defensively? No more advanced fighters due to our failing economic outlook? Are other countries going to be advancing while we remain stagnant? Seems to be yes at this point.
I said just after the muslim was elected that we were going to end up in a crack up and bankruptcy like the old USSR.
We have the same TV propaganda on ALL channels like the old USSR. I think at least the Russians were smart enough to know it was all lies.
Huh? Are you talking about what you’ve said on this thread (non existent) or some other thread? Really have no idea what you are referring to...
Don’t worry - you might figure it out someday.
Heh... Actually, I’m sure I won’t. That’s okay, I will let you do your own thing...
Even if we didn’t advance one step for about twenty years we would maintain a healthy advantage over any potential enemy.
are there Bombay doors on that thing?
I hope you’re right! I do worry about the advances being made by China and Russia while we sweat our economic situation.
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Only on the version they are exporting to India. :)
Yes and no.
Yes in that it would be quite difficult for another country to achieve the same level of capability overreach and dominance that the US enjoyed/enjoys.
No, in that it is not just about the ability to be able to stand head to head against the US. It is also about the ability to be able to seriously hurt the US.
Now, that is the problem right there. It is what the US is losing ...whereby in some areas combat dominance is shifting to combat advantage, and in the coming decade may even shift to combat parity. Again, it doesn't mean that the US will loose ...but it does mean that American soldiers will die, and that equipment (e.g. an AEGIS destroyer) will be lost. That can cost a war, particularly given the fact that the MSM has considerable sway, and at any given moment HALF the country will be against the war (due to the level of political polarity, where a Right president will always garner Left ire, and a Left president Right, guaranteed).
A point I keep bringing out in other threads is that the US has also never fought against a near-peer in decades (Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Afghanistan, Somalia, Bosnia, etc ...I had a full list ...do not count as near-peers). True near-peers, such as China and Russia (in particular, China) have been taking serious notes, and if we 'don't advance one step for about twenty years' it doesn't mean they will be at par with us, but it does mean that they will be able to seriously hurt us.
As it stands right now, they can be able to hurt any US naval action in response to a Taiwan incident. Do you really think if the US remains in situ for 20 years that situation will get better, or worse?
.....are there Bombay doors on that thing?.....
Not any more. They are now Mumbai doors.
Only in Hindi.
Eventually the current usage of the MSM, of catering to foreign revisionists, will come to an end.
Turin is Turin not Torino, Milan is Milan not Milano, Moscow is Moscow not Moskva. Get it?
And Peking is still Peking, and duck soup if they screw with us.
It’s called Mumbai now
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