Posted on 09/25/2010 8:11:33 AM PDT by redreno
The emotionless voice of Samantha Sterner told jurors on Friday that her boyfriend, 38-year-old Erik Scott, carried a gun with him everywhere he went and that the officer who shot him to death July 10 was “out of line.”
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*if* that pic is his weapon, most likely it had an empty chamber, and with the holster being presented, was most likely being withdrawn slowly to 'dis-arm' or very rapidly in an attempt to take out three guys who already had him sighted up...
that only leaves suicide by cop, and ifn thats the case, they [the gov] havent even began to make a case from what ive seen...prepping for a camping trip and movin in with yer sweetie usually arent the actions of somebody gettin ready to check out...
>Because, I want to know the FACTS if I can get them.
There are enough facts to 1) condemn the officers, and 2) warrant investigation into cover-up/conspiracy/tampering-with-evidence.
Consider these facts:
1 - initially, multiple witness statements directly contradicted the police version of events at about a rate of 77%. (40/52 = .7692...)
2 - initial reports had the crowd of witnesses confused as to why they were being evacuated... countering the Costco claim of ‘violent irrationality.’
3 - initial reports had multiple officers issuing conflicting commands; later [police] reports have one officer issuing conflicting commands...
—... this in itself is proof of either a lethal Command & Control failure/incompetence OR conspiracy/obstruction-of-justice (at the very least falsification of official records, and possibly perjury).
4 - the inquest testimonies have the police setting up prior to the evacuation approximately 30 min and yet the claim is they were not prepared?
5 - the “un-usability” of the video footage for the store coupled with the non-release of the initial 911 call[s?] coupled with the initial eyewitness accounts differing from the police accounts to such a high degree.
command failure is putting it very lightly...
If one wants to ignore the levels of morphine (six times a normally lethal dose) and Xanax (one times a normally lethal dose) in his body, as well as several other medications.
She knows that telling the truth under oath won't give her the outcome she wants.
the real issue is gonna be whether or not those other witnesses will still be ready to testify after several more months of coersion...
we had one locally a while back...guy took a pellet rifle into a bank, let the calvary surround the place, then ran across the open parking lot towards cops...
shopping for camping gear and applying for a *future* costco card indicates he had things planned that required life...
Just a few more weeks on paid vacation and he can go out and plug a few more citizens. Yee-haw!
Just a few more weeks on paid vacation and he can go out and plug a few more citizens. Yee-haw!
The DA has packed the proceeding to whitewash fat bastard Mosher and the other two trigger happy stooges. It’s a frickin’ joke.
I don’t think he went to Costco looking to be killed by the cops, but his actions at the moment of the shooting weren’t rational. All he had to do was follow one command, and he would have lived. He may have made a decision to die at the last moment. Considering the levels of drugs in his system, he didn’t have much respect for his own life.
wow, you really have no clue how opiates work in the human body, especially in long term pain management do ya...???
i seriously think that this notion is very far fetched, but *if* he made a snap decision at the spur of the moment, due to intoxication, who prompted that confrontation ???
personally, stone cold sober, if i were suddenly faced down by three cops with guns sighted on me, initially not knowing that i was the target, i mightve made an adrenaline mistake as well, like 'reaching' too quickly, because they were agitated and *ordering* me to do so...
lets face it, the costco guy and the cops all ramped up a non issue to the point of death for a citizen...painting him as *the* bad guy is ridiculous...and dangerous...
As best I can figure it, the picture I posted was used at the inquest as a photo of Scott’s gun on the ground at Costco after the shooting. Mosher has testified he didn’t realize until after the shooting that it was in a holster.
If he had been committing suicide, he’d have whipped out his gun or made a verbal threat...something like, “You won’t take me alive” or maybe lunged towards the cop.
I think the gun in its holster, hammer down on a 1911 style pistol speaks volumes about Scott’s intent. Not suicide. Not killing. Disarming. That the cops didn’t realize that means they were too prepped to shoot, or have too nervous a temperament to be street cops.
If, as a CCW permittee, I ever shoot a guy whose 1911 has the hammer down and is still in its holster, I expect the DA to be a lot less lenient with me than he is being with Mosher - a lower standard for trained cops than for “civilians”.
Three shootings in 4 years with 2 fatal means Mosher is either a genuine s&!* magnet, or a pee-poor cop!
even a s#!t magnet is passive if ya keep it outta the pasture...
The fact that Erik Scott has a 1800 mg of Morphine in his system tells me he was SERIOUSLY doped up and a long time addict. 1800 mg could kill some people
Hospice patients dying don't get that much morphine on a daily basis typically.
Having that much morphine as well as other mind altering drugs in your system certainly made a bad situation deadly.
I would have to think if he was not so doped up this "might" have had a different ending or even never happened in the first place.
I still think the cops are a bunch of trigger happy JBT's just by the simple fact they shot him in the back while he was dying on the ground.
All three cops at minimum should be fired for incompetence
I think the gun in its holster, hammer down on a 1911 style pistol speaks volumes about Scott’s intent. Not suicide. Not killing. Disarming. That the cops didn’t realize that means they were too prepped to shoot, or have too nervous a temperament to be street cops.
Why didn't he follow a single command, either to put his hands up or to get on the ground? Instead, he went for his gun. Mosher could have justifiably shot him at the point that he reached for his gun.
Several weeks ago, a scanner's transcript of the police radio traffic was posted here at FR. You can listen to the copy entered into evidence and posted on the Sun website and decide for yourself how accurate it is.
http://209.157.64.201/focus/f-news/2556714/posts
In any event, that radio traffic does not support your contention that units had been in the parking lot for 30 minutes: you can clearly hear the supervisors in unit 767 directing units to set up a command post and contain the entrances. 2V54 is the first unit to arrive at timestamp 12:07; he is ordered to stop foot traffic in and out of the buisiness, then to contact store security to start evacuations at 14:04. (that's about two minutes after he first arrived at the Costco). 2V16 arrives a minute later, at 14:55.
There is additional traffic between the units arriving at the store, the helicopter, and the supervisors: staging fire, the sergeant ordering units to turn off their lights and sirens prior to arrival to avoid further agitating the suspect, setting up a containment. Dispatch confirms that she is still "landline" with the store manager, and updates the location of the suspect, "is directly in the center of the building", at 18:14.
Adding it up, units had been on scene for six minutes so far. One minute later, at 19:11 2V16 advises "shots fired".
That's less than one minute after being told the suspect was in the center of the store talking to the manager, Seven minutes after the first unit arrived (not 30 minutes), and four minutes after 2V16 arrived.
That timeline is consistent with trying to secure the scene, evacuate the uninvolved and wait, as ordered, for the supervisors to arrive.
If that is a picture of the firearm in the condition that it was in, I agree.
The toxicology reports don’t look accurate. The coroner said Scott had several times the lethal doses of both morphine and another drug.
How could he even be vertical with those levels in his bloodstream?
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