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Officer in Costco shooting says man raised gun, didn’t know it was in holster
Las Vegas Sun ^ | 23 Sept 2010 | Cara McCoy, Dave Toplikar

Posted on 09/24/2010 9:34:59 AM PDT by Mr Rogers

This comes from a Vegas paper, so I'll summarize:

Day 1 of the inquest into the police shooting of Eric Scott at a Las Vegas Costco emphasized the large amount of prescription painkillers found in his body. The assistant DA suggested Scott was suicidal.

Day 2 apparently spent a bunch of time explaining why there will be no video...basically, the machines weren't working, sorry.

Then the cop who was closest to Scott testified. In his testimony, he says the gun found by investigators was in its holster, and that he didn't realize the gun was in its holster when he shot Scott. That info comes about 2/3 of the way into the article:

http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/sep/23/officer-deadly-shooting-says-man-pointed-gun-didnt/

(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; costco; donutwatch; erikscott; morphine
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To: dragnet2

While I have no doubt your conclusions about the lack of training and the lack of professionalism of the officers in question, in my mind, it still comes down to a lack of leadership.

The senior officers are supposed to train the junior officers. They are the ones who are supposed to set the internal standards, train to those standards and hold their officers accountable to those standards. That is even truer when it comes to hiring and firing practices. Should an officer show an inability to adopt or support those standards the LEADERS are responsible for removing that officer.


81 posted on 09/24/2010 10:34:13 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: monkeyshine
"One cop shoots they all shoot"

That's called *Backing the Brother, no matter what.*

82 posted on 09/24/2010 10:34:31 AM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: Mr Rogers

Witnesses did not sense the victim was any danger to the cop who murdered him.


83 posted on 09/24/2010 10:35:01 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: luvbach1

My point, which you missed, is that although it is legal to carry a permited weapon in plain sight, it can be dangerous because people, including police, tend to freak out when they see one.


84 posted on 09/24/2010 10:36:12 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: SnakeDoctor

Always with the excuses for cop incompetence.


85 posted on 09/24/2010 10:36:20 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: yesca

Troll Check.


86 posted on 09/24/2010 10:36:48 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (If exercising the right to free speech invites violence, then girls in short skirts invite rape.)
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To: luvbach1

“If you have a sealed weapon permit it also means you can carry a weapon in plain sight. I favor both.”

Concealed. In some states, it is very illegal to carry a gun that ‘prints’ even though you have a CCW permit. A number of states do not allow open carry.


87 posted on 09/24/2010 10:37:18 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: Fundamentally Fair

He needs to go to jail. At the least what he committed was manslaughter. From witness testimony at the scene, it may have been flat out murder.


88 posted on 09/24/2010 10:37:38 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: wideawake
Being on pain killers doesn't impact on one’s judgement or ability to perform.

I am on Morphine along with a few other pain meds due to permanent injuries. My own prescription may seem heavy to someone who has never been on pain killers, but I have been on them for almost 30 years.

Contrary to popular opinion, therapeutic doses don't affect ones judgement or ability to comprehend or quickly adjust to situations surrounding themselves.

It is only with a significant overdose or accidental doubling up of medications by taking a following dose too quickly after a previous one that any effect can be felt.

Someone new to the medication may also experience difficulties, but they quickly adjust. Someone who has been on the meds for a few months most likely will have no impairment.

I agree that the COPs are trying to put the blame for what they did on the victim and that is very unjust and unfair to everyone who may be on a prescription pain reliever.

Measuring the level of medication within one’s bloodstream is very misleading because the longer one is on narcotic medication, the less it effects them and the larger the dose they need for it to be effective.

NSAIDs (Non-Sreroidal anti-inflamatory) meds are accompanied with long term internal damage while the Opiate based meds are far more compatible to a person's body and cause little to no physical damage.

Having been on both prescription and non-prescription NSAIDS for several years, I can attest to the damage they do and how glad I am to not have to take them.

In my own case, the VA which is providing my Meds and followup claims that narcotics will only provide a 25 to 30% improvement in the level of the pain and that is all they try for.

Indeed, the Morphine I am on is much less effective than Oxycontin which is simply a synthetic form of Morphine.

Unfortunately, the VA doesn't provide OXY, Percocet, Percodan, or any other Oxycodone based medications due most likely to the much lower cost of the Morphine in relation to the Oxycodone based products.

Oxycontin (Oxycidin in continuous release form) is not dangerous to patients who don't abuse it. It is the drug addicts (abusers) who gave it a bad name.

89 posted on 09/24/2010 10:37:44 AM PDT by dglang
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To: taxcontrol
OK, then your post indicates LVPD is rotten to the core in regards to training and leadership....From the top down.

The fish rots from the head would seem to imply here.

This seems to be quite common in many departments nowadays.

91 posted on 09/24/2010 10:39:00 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: Mr Rogers
The jury MUST assume that the video would be STRONGLY in favor of the victim. In any case where the accused are a) cops, and b) the party in control of the video equipment that allegedly 'malfunctioned' (Costco), THAT'S THE ONLY ASSUMPTION that promotes liberty and opposes tyranny.

Cops and other responsible parties (video camera operators) should ALWAYS ASSUME THAT THAT WILL BE THE WORKING ASSUMPTION of a jury when evidence under their control goes missing. They should guard such evidence as though their life depended on it—because it SHOULD!

92 posted on 09/24/2010 10:39:38 AM PDT by sourcery (Don't call them "liberals" or "progressives." The honest label is extreme anti-Constitutionalists!)
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To: sfg-18b

I never mentioned a sealed weapon permit in the first place. You did. You are beating a straw man.


93 posted on 09/24/2010 10:40:54 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: dglang
All this morphine stuff, sealed permits, surveillance video all wont matter a bit, if ya got people testifying the weapon was found in the victims holster...
94 posted on 09/24/2010 10:42:05 AM PDT by dragnet2
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To: sfg-18b

Sealed was a typographical error. Bottom line, I favor gun rights. So what’s your argument with me? I thought any permit permitted open carry. If they don’t I stand corrected.


96 posted on 09/24/2010 10:43:14 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop Barry now. He can't help himself.)
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To: Mr Rogers
If Scott was taking lethal amounts of morphine, he would have died of morphine before the cops added lead.

You'd think that. Of course, we don't know how reliable the tests are or when the morphine was added to his system.

97 posted on 09/24/2010 10:46:10 AM PDT by Fundamentally Fair (If exercising the right to free speech invites violence, then girls in short skirts invite rape.)
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To: luvbach1

State laws vary wildly. It is important to know what state you are in and comply.


98 posted on 09/24/2010 10:46:20 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (When the ass brays, don't reply...)
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To: dragnet2

Unfortunatly I believe that to be true.

Most officers have abandoned the “minimal force / interdiction” approach and have gone to the adrenaline junky “shock and awe” approach.


99 posted on 09/24/2010 10:46:47 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: luvbach1

The only one that comes immediately to mind is Texas. Open carry is not permitted, even by concealed permit holders.

There are likely others, it varies by state.


100 posted on 09/24/2010 10:49:25 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (Live jubtabulously!)
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