Posted on 09/24/2010 9:34:59 AM PDT by Mr Rogers
This comes from a Vegas paper, so I'll summarize:
Day 1 of the inquest into the police shooting of Eric Scott at a Las Vegas Costco emphasized the large amount of prescription painkillers found in his body. The assistant DA suggested Scott was suicidal.
Day 2 apparently spent a bunch of time explaining why there will be no video...basically, the machines weren't working, sorry.
Then the cop who was closest to Scott testified. In his testimony, he says the gun found by investigators was in its holster, and that he didn't realize the gun was in its holster when he shot Scott. That info comes about 2/3 of the way into the article:
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/sep/23/officer-deadly-shooting-says-man-pointed-gun-didnt/
(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...
If so, that regulation needs to change in situations like this. I cannot believe that a cop would order a person to touch his weapon. It would be the other way around. ‘Put up your hand’ and ‘keep your hands in plain sight’ etc. The same way as in a traffic stop. Everyone knows to keep your hands in plain sight during a traffic stop.
The lesson for those who read this is, even if you have 3 cops shouting 3 different sets of orders, just keep still and leave your hands in the air. Eventually (hopefully) one of them will train on you while another will approach, disarm, and arrest.
I saw your first picture without seeing the second and that’s exactly what I was thinking also.
I saw the second picture only after scrolling down.
Yes, I think the term “overkill” might be very appropriate in this case.
It’s an obvious coverup, and a well planned one at that.
The store manager testified that the video system failed the evening of July 8, that he had called the repair company, who scheduled a technician to go to the store to fix the system on the following Monday, the 12th.
The shooting occurred on the 10th.
Looks like only testimony is that of the perps.
No...All that would be easy to confirm or disprove.
Seriously? I didn't realize that is was in its holster, but either way...amazing.
He also testified that he didn’t recall ordering Scott to “drop his gun.” But those commands are distinctly heard on the 911 tape that was played for the jury.
Good thing the 911 tape didn't disappear.
The tape was again played for Mosher, who said it was his voice on the tape. He was the only officer issuing commands, he said. The following is heard in the 911 call: “Put your hands where I can see them now. Drop it! Get on the ground! Get on the ground!” “He refused to comply with those commands, to show his hands, or to get on the ground,” Mosher testified.
You mean the commands that you didn't remember giving, until you heard them on the 911 tape?
Do you suppose he is an Oath Keeper?
Most scenario training I have either lead or observed, teaches that you need to “freeze” a hostile scene first. That is why the military is instructed to yell “HALT” and many PD departments teach officers to yell “FREEZE”. Often this is refered to as containment. I have always instructed that if the hostile complies with containment, you yourself need to force yourself into a calmer state.
The second thing that we taught was that ONE and ONLY ONE, and most likely the most senior officer present, would issue any commands. This is true in both large and small scale.
This is where I feel the LV incident fell appart. No one person took charge of the situation. This is a failure of command and leadership.
There are a couple of other steps / considerations BEFORE you get to “put the gun down” commands. But when you mess up #1 and #2, it has already gone very bad.
One cop shoots they all shoot seems to be the routine lately.
One of the pics on this link http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/sep/23/erik-scott-day2/ show a graph with Scott’s morphine level at 1800ng/ml and the lethal level show at 70-350 ng/ml.
WTF? He had 5-25 times the lethal amount?
Nah, people gotta have their 50 roll packs of TP.
“I cannot believe that a cop would order a person to touch his weapon.”
The CCW class I took said to follow the cops instructions, which might include handing over your gun. The instructor told of a traffic stop where he volunteered the info that he was carrying, and the cop stuffed a .40 Glock in his face with his finger on the trigger, and shouted “Don’t move! Hand it over!” The instructor, an ex-cop, was able to calm the guy down enough to move, and then handed his gun over to the cop.
It happens. Sounds stupid to me, but it happens.
In this case, I suspect Scott was confused and did something dumb - but removing a holstered gun isn’t necessarily reason to shoot.
It's more than that.
They put multiple holes in the victim, killing him, then ya got people saying the weapon was found in the victims holster...
This would indicate ya got people on that department that lack training, and or are trigger happy, paranoid, wanna be cowboys, or are just completely incompetent.
Scott had been on prescription pain killers for years. Think of Rush Limbaugh - he apparently took some pretty amazing amounts of painkillers while talking 15 hours/week on national radio.
I was not talking about a sealed weapon permit. Read more carefully before going off half-cocked. I favor gun rights
If Scott was taking lethal amounts of morphine, he would have died of morphine before the cops added lead.
If you have a sealed weapon permit it also means you can carry a weapon in plain sight. I favor both.
Wrong. I read what Scott was quoted as having said re his right to carry a weapon.
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