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Islamic accommodations in Washington state jails- Power plays and priorities - Jihad Watch

Islamic accommodations in Washington state jails: Power plays and priorities

Additional thoughts on this story:

Regarding uniforms, and Muslim inmates' complains about bans on "certain religious clothing": Of all places, the social equalizer that uniforms provide is essential to attempting to keep the peace in a jail. The last thing one ought to want in a place where no one wants to be, but they all got there for a reason, is the emergence of a visibly privileged class to stir the pot.

One must wonder what the specific grievance is: no skullcaps? When did they become a pillar of Islam? Or, are the pants too long, trailing on the ground in a most un-Sunnah way? Either way, one returns to the fundamental purpose of having uniforms in the first place.

Regarding food: While Muslim inmates are not offered pork, the most likely remaining grievance here is that the rest of the meat on the menu is (gasp!) not halal. They could go for any variety of vegetarianism, which would certainly not be unheard of in Western Washington, but who should have to do that when you're just so special? A more vegetarian diet would be the non-obstructive way to go, while the name of the game here is this: Being Seen While Being Muslim.

There are several issues to consider in this case. One is the inmates' personal sense of entitlement and resource-sapping efforts to game the system from within. For that matter, this fixation keeps them from addressing the internal factors that landed them in jail in the first place. After all, they're the "victims" now!

But along with generating tension and resentment where no more is needed, the creation of a privileged Muslim class in the jail would also create an incentive for other prisoners to convert to Islam for the perks, as we have seen in the U.K. And there is strength in numbers: so much the better for more demands, and for the intimidation of other inmates.

There is also the question of what happens when prisoners who have been so indoctrinated are released, or if they attempt to shrug off what may have seemed like a convenient conversion, inside or outside of prison. Indeed, it would be like dealing with a prison gang on steroids. Not every prison gang has Allah's own prophet commanding the slaughter of those who would attempt to leave the fold.

But there is still a greater issue: This case also sets up a telling comparison of values and priorities that has far-reaching implications for how a society operates. One that is in play here is the emphasis on external piety through the demand for the "right" to wear special religious clothing. The focus on external displays, together with and a closed, segregated society are a serious recipe for dysfunction. And that goes for Islamic societies in general, not just prisons.

Even more broadly, there is the matter of how resources and human efforts are allocated for the sake of what one supposes to be "good." When comparing the religious texts of Islam and Christianity, one notices a striking contrast in the exhaustive cataloging in the ahadith of Muhammad's mannerisms, preferences, personal comportment and appearance, which is why one finds Muslims in Afghanistan and Pakistan growing violent over their neighbors' unwillingness to grow a beard, tailor their pants above their ankles, and so forth. On the other hand, the Gospels, Acts, and Epistles are perhaps deliberately vague on the appearances and sartorial preferences of Jesus and the early Christians. Indeed, we don't even get much on what the prophets and patriarchs of the Hebrew Scriptures wore, and certainly not in the prescriptive sense that accompanies stories about Muhammad (see also: Qur'an 33:21).

Why?

Perhaps it's because none of those features are the important thing about who they were or what they did, where worthy imitation is at issue. And focusing on those would be the easy way out on showing "piety."

Our society is demonstrably better for that higher placement of priorities, even among those who would deny any Judeo-Christian influence in this regard, taking these attitudes and others for granted as human nature because they have never experienced a culture where that influence has been actively suppressed and expunged.


1 posted on 09/23/2010 8:15:05 PM PDT by Stoat
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To: Stoat

Anybody getting tired of political correctness yet?


2 posted on 09/23/2010 8:17:33 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Don't listen to what they say, watch what they do.)
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He says the jail offers Muslims meals without pork and allows them to pray together and perform ritual cleansing.

I would imagine that women dressed in Darth Vader outfits are regularly brought in for ritual beatings and stonings as well, and faux bomb belts are provided so that the inmates can dress in their accustomed manner.

3 posted on 09/23/2010 8:19:58 PM PDT by Stoat (If you want a vision of the future, imagine a Birkenstock stamping on a human face... forever)
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pardon me while i barf


4 posted on 09/23/2010 8:21:14 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys)
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OK fine there muhammed. We will treat you like your damn country treats Christians or Jews. Would you like your head cut off slowly or quickly?

Pig f ers.


5 posted on 09/23/2010 8:24:17 PM PDT by Texas resident (Outlaw fisherman)
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“Muslim inmates suing jail, saying they’re prevented from practicing their religion”

I seriously doubt the prison system is going to provide them with bomb making supplies.


6 posted on 09/23/2010 8:24:43 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the Right Stuff!)
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They can pray facing East whenever they want, right?

They’ve got toilets to wash their feet in, don’t they?


7 posted on 09/23/2010 8:27:17 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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At least they’re not suing to have all of the toilets moved so that they don’t face Mecca. (Of course, in England, the government does this voluntarily.)


8 posted on 09/23/2010 8:28:55 PM PDT by Rybashka
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I like to read Theodore Dalrymple articles. It is a pen name for a psychiatrist who worked in the British prison system until he retired recently. He had a lot of experience dealing with Muslim prisoners over there. Among other things, he said the Muslim youth there lived lives just like other British hooligans and did not practice their faith at all unless it enabled them to get special privileges or avoid hearings because of holidays and such. In other words, they were foul-weather or opportunistic practitioners of Islam and ate, drank and fornicated with the best of the regular British youth of their generation at all other times.

I doubt whether it is all that different here.


10 posted on 09/23/2010 8:33:20 PM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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Maybe they would like a shot at the 72 virgins?


11 posted on 09/23/2010 8:33:48 PM PDT by existtoexcel
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Hey koranimals!

Practicing your “religion” is probably what landed you in jail in the first place. Your murderous “religion” isn’t worth a damn.

Why the hell would a freedom loving, peaceful society let you “practice” the crap?

Get out of our country.


13 posted on 09/23/2010 8:39:35 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate: Republicans freed the slaves Month.)
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Funny, i could be in a jail cell stripped nekkid and chained to wall and I could still say “Our Father”. I guess they aren’t very good muslims if they cannot route memorize the koran.....


14 posted on 09/23/2010 8:41:34 PM PDT by GraceG
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Every muslim thief, okay, let’s just chop off one of your hands. If you’ve been a repeat offender chop off the alternating foot.

Do you really want muslim treatment?


15 posted on 09/23/2010 8:42:23 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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Part of my religion involves getting outdoors, breathing fresh air, climbing mountains, taking long hikes and solitude with nature. If I decided to become a jailbird, do you suppose they could accomadate me?


16 posted on 09/23/2010 8:47:36 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.


19 posted on 09/23/2010 8:59:42 PM PDT by Califreak (A man is defined by the nature of his enemies-Preach it Rush!)
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Garland was at a tavern when he shot someone...


20 posted on 09/23/2010 9:09:43 PM PDT by MarMema
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"....on May 22, 2007, Tarrer assisted with the delivery of 900 pills of MDMA, also known as Ecstasy. Tarrer agreed to supply 2,000 additional pills and was arrested while meeting with his source of supply, Ronald Lee Banks. Tarrer initially refused to get out of the car, struggled with police and was subsequently arrested. A search of Tarrer’s car turned up cocaine, crack cocaine, scales, baggies and more than $8,000 in cash. A search of Tarrer’s girlfriend’s car turned up a loaded handgun, ammunition, cocaine, and an electronic scale."

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21 posted on 09/23/2010 9:11:41 PM PDT by MarMema
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Tough!

They don’t like ............go somewhere else.

America is tired of the Sue Game!


28 posted on 09/23/2010 9:47:49 PM PDT by EnglishOnly (Fight all out to win OR get out now.)
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Perhaps it's because none of those features are the important thing about who they were or what they did, where worthy imitation is at issue. And focusing on those would be the easy way out on showing "piety."

I have heard that newbies in AA are urged to find a "Higher Power" to lead them into a righteous lifestyle free of the need for alcohol and or drugs.

They're sometimes told that anything could be that higher power, even if it's a door knob, on the usually correct assumption that Christ will fill their heart if they are earnest in their prayers, and they will eventually stop praying to the dam doorknob (especially if it's in a high traffic doorway) and begin their trek to Salvation.

I briefly mused what happens to those who never let go of their doorknobs, but that 1st human candle demonstrating at the start of the Gulf War answered that question for me, and I've never had a reason to have that scene flash across my forehead until you posted the link to The Demonic Verses.

At least back then, protesting was a solo act...they might ask for a match or someone to take a picture, maybe sweep up the remains....

30 posted on 09/23/2010 10:39:37 PM PDT by 4woodenboats (Defend America peacefully, vigorously, and swiftly against all enemies before she becomes a memory)
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spray them with liquified pork fat daily


32 posted on 09/23/2010 11:48:50 PM PDT by Enchante ("The great enemy of clear language is insincerity." -- George Orwell --)
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Ummm... correct me if I’m wrong, but are there not a whole bunch of Constitutional rights that you no longer have WHEN YOU ARE IN JAIL??

People in jail can’t have firearms... people in jail can’t go wherever they want whenever they want...

Give them a Koran and a case of spaggetios and tell them to STFU!


34 posted on 09/24/2010 1:44:53 AM PDT by djf (It is ISLAM or "We, the People..." Take your pick. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND!!!)
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