Posted on 09/23/2010 5:29:43 AM PDT by marktwain
“Madison police said Wednesday they will rescind obstructing citations wrongly issued to two of five [members of Wisconsin Carry] who were openly carrying firearms while eating at a Culver’s restaurant,” madison.com reports. ”and instead cite all five men for disorderly conduct.” Huh? “All five men, who are members of the gun-rights group Wisconsin Carry, would be cited for disorderly conduct because the caller, a 62-year-old woman, along with a second patron interviewed this week told police they were disturbed by the armed men.” Huh X2? If someone thinks you’re a danger, you’re disorderly? Let’s just check that statute shall we?
Whoever, in a public or private place, engages in violent, abusive, indecent, profane, boisterous, unreasonably loud or otherwise disorderly conduct under circumstances in which the conduct tends to cause or provoke a disturbance is guilty of a Class B misdemeanor.
[Click here to download the entire statute.] It seems the Police Chief thinks it’s enough to satisfy the last part of the law.
Chief Noble Wray admitted police erred in issuing citations for obstructing officers to the two men who refused to identify themselves to officers sent to the restaurant near East Towne Mall on Saturday after a patron called 911 because she was concerned about the armed men and feared something ‘horrible’ could happen.”
Yes, well, what of the FIRST part of the statute? All accounts of the incident report that the members of Wisconsin Carry acted in a quiet, dignified fashion; before, during and after their arrest. This will not end well for Chief Wray or the City of Madison.
And therefor, all “disorderly conduct” arrestors should have to defend their false arrest before a jury, subject to individual penalty.
The US Attorney for the Western District of Wisconsin is John Vaudreuil - an Obama appointee.
You’re not going to get a federal indictment
Until we elect some federal office holders that take individual citizens’ rights seriously.
That will be 2012 at the earliest.
Charge him then as well. Failing that, a tree and a rope.
That police cheif needs to be unemployed. Is he even competent for the position, or, (and I know this is a horrble thing to say and I’m going straight to hell) was he an affirmative action hire meant to cure the mostly white liberal citizens of their white guilt and angst?
He's apparently quite popular in the department and has apparently done a decent job of crimefighting in Madison.
I think what we're dealing with here is a very liberal city with a very liberal police chief who reflects the sentiment of the city.
He’s a 4-star cop...how can he be wrong?
Do folks call him Admiral?
then the five guys should have a pretty good case for a kidnapping charge eh ???
dprivation of Rights case should follow and they should own the city, the cops pensions, and the occifers should do time...
Police: “I need to see your ID, and your handgun, NOW!”
Citizen: “No”
I was born there, though I left as an infant - never saw it until a few years ago - l thought it was lovely. My parents have told me that when they lived there it was ultra conservative.
Yes, it is a very lovely town. The problem is that the idiots that were burning their draft cards on State Street in the 1960’s stayed around and are now ruining the town. I went to the Marine Corps in the late 60’s and when I returned the decline was already underway. I left a couple of years later.
I am disturbed by the behavior of a former HS classmate who has come under the influence of a particular church in Wisconsin. She is a nut case.
Can I get them all cited for disturbing the peace?
This is nuts.
No one goes into a Culver’s to cause a disturbance-—they just want the great food there.
Wish we had one in Carson City. But, then again, I mught quickly gain back the 16 pounds I just lost.
http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-washington-dc/madison-five-911-caller-told-police-there-s-no-problemAll cops involved, on the other hand, need to find new employmentLast Saturday the Madison, WI police department responded to a 911 call about five men openly carrying holstered handguns near a Culver’s restaurant. Police soon arrived, detained the men, now referred to by some as “the Madison Five,” and demanded they produce identity credentials.
The police ultimately cuffed, searched, and charged two men who refused to provide ID with “obstruction of justice.” Days later “Madison Police North District Capt. Cameron McLay said he believes officers acted appropriately in responding to . . . the [911] caller's concern that something might happen.”
However the 911 call recording obtained by the Examiner.com pursuant to an Open Records Act request from Dane County does not support Capt. McLay’s characterization. The caller, Ms. Phyllis Micke, emphasized to the 911 dispatcher that the guns were in holsters, and that “there’s no problem” . . . [the men are] “just sitting there extremely relaxed.”
After the dispatcher explained that open carry was legal unless they are threatening or disturbing people, Micke declared that
“there’s no problem and it’s no emergency . . .I feel bad then, if they’re not doing anything wrong then it’s my mistake.”Wisconsin Carry Inc. (WCO) President Nik Clark is not surprised by the tenor of the 911 call. Clark said that “every time somebody has called the police about open carriers it has essentially been to ask if open carry was legal, not to report a disturbance.”
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