I understand a J&R "silencer" very well. It was to increase performance, not to make noise.
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I got over making noise for noise sake when I stopped using clothes pins and playing cards to make noise against the spokes of my Schwinn.
Posted on 09/22/2010 12:56:11 AM PDT by Terrence DoGood
"As the popularity of motorcycles increases, loud pipes become offensive to the general public out there," Scott added.
The roaring motorcycles -- primarily Harleys -- have led to a bill that would target motorcyclists who remove factory-installed emission control devices mandated by the federal government and replace them with custom, aftermarket parts that often make their bikes louder and more polluting.
SB 435 had been approved by the state legislature and now is sitting on the Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger's desk. The Harley-riding governor has until Sept. 30 to sign the bill into law or veto it.
If the governor puts his stamp of approval on the measure, motorcyclists would be required to post a visible, unaltered Environment Protection Agency stamp to confirm the exhaust system is clean burning and does not exceed 80 decibels -- about the same noise level as a vacuum cleaner. The stamp would only be required for motorcycles and aftermarket parts made after 2013.
"The noise caused by illegally modified motorcycle exhaust systems is a major quality of life issue across the state," said state Sen. Fran Pavley, a Democrat from Agoura Hills. "Basic common sense and decency dictates that when a motorcycle drives by and sets off every car alarm on the street, that is too loud
First-time offenders would be fined up to $100; tickets could be voided if the owners bring their bikes back into compliance. Subsequent infractions would be subject to fines of $100 to $250.
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No.
Conservatives respect the rights of others and try not to make a nuisance out of themselves.
Children measure their "manliness" on much noise they can make. Adults, not so much.
suggesting i stop doing some i enjoy because it might be “dangerous” is exactly the liberal nanny state mindset.
I wasn’t suggesting that you stop.
Then there are those that like to 'blip' their Harleys as they slow down and stop at the red light new where I used to live. Seems the harley culture is if it doesn't backfire, it isn't tuned correctly.
You are correct, you mentioned nothing of personal responsibility. I should have qualified my post with a "many here have the view of a libertine" not you directly.
Wife or girl friend wont let you get a bike? Loud pipes does make the driver yakking on a cell phone in a car take notice that someone is coming along side just as those obnoxious police car and ambulance sirens let you know. they are coming. So put the cell phone down, coffee down,radio down and drive safe while us obnoxious bikers try to get from one place to another without getting run over by some pissed off cager in a big rush to get to the next light first.
“If you were really concerned about safety you wouldn’t be riding a bike!”
That is from your earlier post.
Now granted, you said wouldn’t and not shouldn’t.
In general, it is the bad drivers that make motorcycling dangerous.
“In general, it is the bad drivers that make motorcycling dangerous.”
Amen.
http://roadkinguk.wordpress.com/
A Milford man died after wrecking his 1978 Harley-Davidson near Syracuse on Sunday morning. The crash happened a little before 3 a.m. on Bowser Road, say police. Darin A. Hostetler, 42, was found pinned under his motorcycle in a bean field, several feet away from the road. The Kosciusko County F.A.C.T./Crash Investigation Team said Hostetler was traveling south on Bowser Road when he failed to make a sharp turn and continued on into the bean field. He was not wearing a helmet and died later in hospital.
Justin Dilks, 34, of Quincy, Mass. was riding north on Route 302 with three friends at 5:22 p.m. when he climbed to a standing position on the seat of his red 2004 Harley-Davidson Night Train and began waving with one hand. Dilks lost control and was pitched over the handlebars in the crash. Dilks, who was not wearing a helmet, was pronounced dead at the scene of severe head injuries. Marjorie Loonie, 47, of Melrose, Mass., was riding her black 2006 Harley-Davidson behind Dilks and crashed as she tried to avoid hitting him, police said. She was taken to Bridgton Hospital and then flown by helicopter to Central Maine Medical Center in Lewiston. She also was not wearing a helmet.
A motorcycle rider from North Carolina died Wednesday afternoon when he crashed his Harley Davidson bike while taking a curve. The collision was reported at about 5:40 p.m. after it happened on Highway 107 north of Mountain Rest, about 1.5 miles from the state line. Donald Ray Wilson, 63, of Woods Mountain Trail died at the scene, and he was wearing a helmet. Wilson was heading north on Highway 107 when his 2006 Harley Davidson bike crossed the center line in a curve which bears to the right. The motorcycle and its driver went off the road along the left shoulder, landing down an embankment at the base of a tree, he said. It appeared Wilson hit the brakes just before leaving the road, Addis said.
A motorcycle accident in Charles Mix County has cost a Wisconsin women her life. 57-year-old Lynn Dannecker of Greenfield, Wis. was a passenger on a Harley Davidson motorcycle when it appears the motorcycles rear tire blew out. The driver of the motorcycle, 62-year-old Laurence Maye, also of Greenfield, Wis., lost control and both the driver and passenger were thrown from the motorcycle. The passenger was pronounced dead at a hospital in Wagner and the driver was flown to a Sioux Falls hospital with life-threatening injuries. The South Dakota Highway Patrol is investigating.
A Montana woman has been killed in a motorcycle crash east of Cottonwood, in central South Dakota. The highway patrol says 63-year-old Diane Thompson of Boulder, Mont., was a passenger on a Harley-Davidson motorcycle that crashed about 2:40 p.m. Friday. The driver, 54-year-old Michael Anderson of Helena, Mont., suffered non-life-threatening injuries. The patrol says it’s believed the motorcycle’s rear tire suddenly lost air pressure, causing Anderson to lose control. The motorcycle slid into a ditch.
The Colorado State Patrol on Sunday a person killed in a motorcycle accident in a work zone on Intertate 25 in Larimer County on Thursday. James Williams, 51, of Ingleburn, New South Wales, Australia, died instantly when he rolled the 2007 Harley Davidson he was driving. Neither Williams nor his passenger, Julie Williams, were wearing helmets when they were thrown from the bike. Julie Williams was taken to the Medical Center of the Rockies in Loveland in serious condition. The motorcycle rolled over as the driver attempted to change lanes from a milled surface onto new raised asphalt.
Neither loud pipes or their ‘half-helmets’ helped.
http://www.vcu.edu/cppweb/tstc/pdfs/Report%20210.pdf
A motorcycle traveling around a curve crossed the centerline and struck a second motorcycle headed in the opposite direction. The drivers of both bikes vaulted forward, striking body to body, and then tumbling to the ground. One driver died immediately from his injuries; the other died while in the process of being transported from the area. Both motorcycles were damaged extensively.
You are being rediculous now. I think they call that “cherry picking”.
You will never find stories about how loud pipes saved lives because ultimately nothing happened.
Do you ride a motorcycle?
Documented in the newspaper. Seems this guy didn't take kindly to the loud harley speeding by his house late at night .... police later found the bike and dead rider. Rider didn't see the 'road obstruction'.
My sympathies on your Dad. It’s been 7 years for mine but seems like yesterday. I see from your name you’re probably in SC - my dad was a Citadel grad.
“You’re also an arrogant SOB... the kinda guy I like to hang out with.”
Yeah, but what gets me is that the arrogant SOB’s that are trying to defend loud pipes won’t admit that they just want the attention. I’m not for legislating it away, mind you, but they won’t admit the obvious. So I tweak ‘em here and there just because that’s how I get attention!
These guys should just admit they like to get attention with the loud pipes like spoiled children, and that there is no other practical reason, and then, God bless ‘em, I’d be on their side, as long as they don’t move into my neighborhood!
My little secret is that I’m more annoyed by bright high beams on a motorcycle than I am by the noise, but I don’t want to give them any inkling that they annoy me in any way, they might want to rub it in after the fun I’ve had at their expense today.
Here’s to your Dad - he did OK with at least one of his sons.
The issue of failing to maintain one’s lane of travel is a common factor in fatal motorcycle crashes in the Commonwealth. In 53 of the 79 (68.3%) fatal motorcycle crashes that occurred in 2008, the motorcycle driver failed to stay in his lane of travel (VMCIT analysis of FR300 reports for fatal motorcycle crashes in 2008). This usually resulted in the motorcyclist running off the road, often then striking fixed objects. In five cases, the motorcyclist crossed the centerline and struck another vehicle head on...
It then goes on to compare this with national statistics of car accidents but notes that the statistics were compiled differently and can't be directly compared.
It doesn’t matter what makes motorcycling dangerous.
It simply is dangerous for any number of reasons. If you decide to enter a known minefield it isn’t the minefields fault if something bad happens as a result. The critical issue is deciding to enter it because it was a thrill where you had a choice.
You have every right to motorcycle. It is your life and yours to choose how you risk it. No matter how you cut the cake, when you increase risk in your life the more likely it that risk will take its toll. Again that’s your choice.
All I ask is that you don’t hold the rest of us responsible for your choices and the possible consequences.
“Yeah, but what gets me is that the arrogant SOB’s that are trying to defend loud pipes won’t admit that they just want the attention.”
That is exactly what we are trying to tell you. Pay attention and put the phone-book-coffee-ipod etc down or exit your daydream stupor while we are trying to get by.
Do you ride?
I understand a J&R "silencer" very well. It was to increase performance, not to make noise.
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I got over making noise for noise sake when I stopped using clothes pins and playing cards to make noise against the spokes of my Schwinn.
“That is exactly what we are trying to tell you. Pay attention and put the phone-book-coffee-ipod etc down or exit your daydream stupor while we are trying to get by.”
I’m too busy texting and steering with my knees to worry about any jackhammer on wheels.
“Do you ride?” No, my penis is too small and I can’t afford the Harley upgrade.
That's the true definition of arrogance. I have explained to you in detail my attraction loud pipes, yet you insist on projection other motives on to me. Perhaps you should take more bikers on their word instead of claiming to understand us better than we understand ourselves?
It may not matter to you because you don’t ride I guess. That’s ok.
You do not have to tell me that I have a right to ride.
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