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NY Post ^ | September 19, 2010 | SCOTT GOTTLIEB

Posted on 09/20/2010 3:05:14 AM PDT by Scanian

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To: rlmorel

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Republican lawmakers portray the anticipated drama as foreshadowing the far bigger brawl of the 2012 presidential elections and a clash of visions with President Obama. A vote in the House to repeal the health-care overhaul would be among the GOP’s top priorities.

Republican leaders are also devising legislative maneuvers that might have a bigger impact, using appropriations bills and other tactics to try to undermine the administration’s overhaul of health care and financial regulations and its plans to regulate greenhouse gases.


21 posted on 09/20/2010 4:19:48 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (They shall not pass!)
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To: truthbetold11

...if you meant I voted for him,your wrong


22 posted on 09/20/2010 4:20:48 AM PDT by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: RavenLooneyToon
I had dinner with a very liberal guy who complained that his son didn't have health insurance. It turns out, he didn't have a job, either. When I asked if he had a car, he said yes. My question to him was: If he can afford a car, why doesn't he get rid of the car and buy health insurance? His answer: He needs his car. My response: You mean, he chooses to buy a car and not health insurance. He didn't say anything. (Liberals don't know how to respond to free market questions.)

My final question: Why should I have to pay for your son's health insurance when he doesn't want to pay for it himself? He actually got up and left the table without saying a word. Go figure...

23 posted on 09/20/2010 4:37:45 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are as dumb as soup.)
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To: aruanan

The insurance company does not *keep* $80K. The $80K is spent on other claims for catastrophic illnesses in the pool of covered participants. Insurance is SHARED RISK.

Presently, State Insurance Commissioners regulate all Insurance companies operating in those States and generally; after claims payments, maintaining reserves, expenses for sales & administration there is only a very small *profit margin* which is generally used to keep premiums in check. Most insurance companies are *mutual*; similar to credit unions and non-profit organizations. Participants are the stock holders.


24 posted on 09/20/2010 4:37:55 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God's redemption.)
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To: Scanian

Like any socialist Obama has no country only an agenda.


25 posted on 09/20/2010 4:38:28 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Scanian
I think Obama--almost against his will--may be forced to do the following if we get a Republican Congress, things that Americans have been clamoring for:

1) Fix the overly-complex and economy-sapping income tax system in favor of a very simple system with low compliance costs and encourages Americans to keep their savings and capital investments in the USA.
2) Massively modifying and/or dismantling the health care reform originally passed in 2010 in favor of more free-market reforms such as allowing insurance companies to sell health insurance policies across state lines on a regional basis.
3) Audit every Federal, state and local government agency for bureaucratic overlap and agency bloat and use the audit results to reduce the size of government by 30% or more. This includes returning a lot of power to the states and dismantling departments like the Department of Education.
4) Impose real reforms to Wall Street to stop the type of excesses that caused the 2008 crash in the first place. Re-imposing the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act might be a good place to start.

With these real changes, the American economy can finally recover and grow again.

26 posted on 09/20/2010 4:43:19 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: RavenLooneyToon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurance


27 posted on 09/20/2010 4:47:59 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God's redemption.)
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To: Scanian

Bump


28 posted on 09/20/2010 4:57:13 AM PDT by COUNTrecount (Barry...above his poi grade.)
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To: RavenLooneyToon
Welcome to FR. Was this an extemporaneous post?

Very well written in any case.

29 posted on 09/20/2010 5:08:02 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Fear God and Government - especially when one tries to become the other!)
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To: aruanan
No, I don't look at insurance as a savings account. I look at insurance as legalized system of extortion. There are very few products that have so much contempt for the customer and offers so little redeeming value that laws have to be passed to make people buy it.
As far as the argument that medical costs can can exceed millions of dollars, they are very far and few between, otherwise your premiums would have to be tens of thousands of dollars per month in order for Insurance companies survive, much less make a profit. For these rare occurrences, bankruptcy courts exist.
I've never heard any of my tenants complain about their rents.
30 posted on 09/20/2010 7:57:32 AM PDT by RavenLooneyToon
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To: Aevery_Freeman
I have posted this elsewhere last week. I was inspired by another post, and replied off the top of my head. Thank you for your comments. After many years reading FR, I decided to hop in with both feet.
31 posted on 09/20/2010 8:37:35 AM PDT by RavenLooneyToon
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To: mo

Blushing.


32 posted on 09/20/2010 8:39:01 AM PDT by RavenLooneyToon
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To: econjack

Years ago a relative was considering a transfer to California. He said “Well one thing going for it, is I won’t have to pay for health insurance.”
I replied, “No, but instead you’ll have to pay for everyone else!”
He laughed, and said “Nice retort!”
Thankfully, he passed on the transfer.


33 posted on 09/20/2010 8:51:34 AM PDT by RavenLooneyToon
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To: agere_contra

“Just go with “money spent on healthcare is untaxed”, put a cap on medical liability and insist on loser-pays tort reform.”

I like it.


34 posted on 09/20/2010 11:24:06 AM PDT by RavenLooneyToon
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To: ChocChipCookie

I hope they treat you right if you have to file a claim.


35 posted on 09/20/2010 12:09:29 PM PDT by Scanian
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To: RavenLooneyToon
No, I don't look at insurance as a savings account. I look at insurance as legalized system of extortion. There are very few products that have so much contempt for the customer and offers [sic] so little redeeming value that laws have to be passed to make people buy it.

No laws before Obama have ever been passed to make people buy health insurance.

As far as the argument that medical costs can can exceed millions of dollars, they are very far and few between, otherwise your premiums would have to be tens of thousands of dollars per month in order for Insurance companies survive, much less make a profit. For these rare occurrences, bankruptcy courts exist.

No one previous to the Obama administration was forced to obtain health insurance. It was a successful product people chose for the benefits it offered to offset the disadvantages not having it portended. It provided them a way to offset costs in a way that didn't, like bankruptcy court, tell those owed the money to suffer the loss themselves.

I've never heard any of my tenants complain about their rents.

That's probably because they, unlike yourself with health insurance, see renting as a pay-for-use arrangement that meets their housing needs rather than extortion that permits you to take their money without giving them any property in return.

It's evident that you, in addition to being an FR neophyte, are more motivated at maintaining your argument through the use of special and idiosyncratic definitions than anything else, much like those who claim that Nutrasweet is a deadly poison or that mercury amalgam fillings are the cause of a multitude of human ailments.

You have chosen your name well.
36 posted on 09/20/2010 7:46:23 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
“No laws before Obama have ever been passed to make people buy health insurance.”

To name a couple off the top of my head...Commonwealth of Massachusetts, State of California.

“No one previous to the Obama administration was forced to obtain health insurance.”

See above.

“It was a successful product people chose for the benefits it offered to offset the disadvantages not having it portended.”

Product implies production. Let's agree the only production Insurance contrives is the production of profits and ever increasing costs.

It was first developed during the late 1800s, the same era that brought us snake oil, robber barons,carpet baggers, false goldmines, and other schemes designed to part money from honest people who actually had to work for it.

Later the Unions (including Teachers,Locals, Railroad, and other Socialist entities) brokered deals to include Medical Insurance as part of their compensations.

That's when Medical Service providers responded with discounted charges of practice to those invoices being paid by the Insurance entity.

Around this time Employers started to use the rouse to attract better employees by offering Insurance instead of more actual wages. This is because, truth be told, Insurance is worth less than actual money. Otherwise, Employers would have offered increased wages.

Until the 60s, most people paid out of pocket for a Doctors visit, as well as Hospital stays. About 65% of the population did this. That's because they were paying from their own pocket, thus the Free Enterprise System was keeping costs down.

The more companies that added Health Insurance to their compensation offers, the higher medical costs would go.
People did not “choose” the product.
Like Obamacare, it was shoved down their throats.

As the Socialist ponzi scheme...er I mean Insurance, progressed, Medical Costs started to sky rocket because once the bills are being paid by Other People's Money (OPM) then no one cares how much their ailment costs to fix.

“It's evident that you, in addition to being an FR neophyte, are more motivated at maintaining your argument through the use of special and idiosyncratic definitions than anything else”.

Well it's true, I am an FR neophyte. I started to post here very recently. I am a conservative and I whole heartily believe that exchanging ideas with one another just may result in some tangible and positive results.

I am not simply maintaining an argument on senseless grounds, rather I am trying to influence some about allowing the socialist groups to define the language of the debate.

There is nothing wrong with our Health Care. Insurance may have benefits, but since that 1940s it has always been a tool of the Unions.

In fact the whole concept of others sharing the costs to pay another’s bill is Communist in nature.

As for these “special and idiosyncratic definitions” are concerned, they are what's known as reality, also called Truth.

I really don't understand your personal attacks in your responses. I do understand having passion in one’s views and it is something I respect irregardless of if we agree on something or not.

37 posted on 09/21/2010 3:07:42 AM PDT by RavenLooneyToon
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To: RavenLooneyToon
“No laws before Obama have ever been passed to make people buy health insurance.”

To name a couple off the top of my head...Commonwealth of Massachusetts, State of California.

“No one previous to the Obama administration was forced to obtain health insurance.”

See above.


No national laws, as referenced by the mention of Obama. No one is forced to live in any particular state.
38 posted on 09/21/2010 10:08:56 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan

If you don’t have Insurance in MA you have to pay an eight hundred dollar tax.


39 posted on 09/21/2010 10:39:18 AM PDT by RavenLooneyToon
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To: RavenLooneyToon
If you don’t have Insurance in MA you have to pay an eight hundred dollar tax.

Thanks, Mitt.

40 posted on 09/21/2010 10:41:26 AM PDT by dfwgator (Rangers Magic Number - 6)
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